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* ... that '''[[Palomo]]''' (''pictured'') volcano features a 10 kilometres (6.2&amp;amp;nbsp;mi) long glacier and that a geologist named a secondary summit after his son, hoping that one day he would get to know the mountains?  &amp;lt;small&amp;gt;[http://biblioteca.sernageomin.cl/opac/DataFiles/14905_v3_pp_124_127.pdf por otra parte, hacia el sur destaca el glaciar Universidad, de unos 10 km de  longitud] and [http://www.andeangeology.cl/index.php/revista1/article/view/V6n2-a04/ El autor propone esta denominacion para este volcan, en atencion a su hijo Andres, en la esperanza de que pueda, algun dia, conocer tambien la cordillera]&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
:* ''Reviewed'': [[Template:Did you know nominations/Mary M. Crawford|Mary M. Crawford]]&lt;br /&gt;
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:*[[File:Symbol possible vote.svg|16px]] The main issue with this nomination is clearly the hook itself. Two hooks have been merged into one, and the first part about the glacier has nothing to do with the latter part about the secondary summit, so it comes off as disjointed. I would recommend that you remove the first part about the glacier because the second half is more interesting, so it reads as something like &amp;quot;... that a geologist named a secondary summit of '''[[Palomo]]''' (''pictured'') volcano after his son, hoping that one day he would get to know the mountains?&amp;quot; Also, the image is not used in the article (which would also need a caption), nor has the nominator satisfied the QPQ (reviewing another DYK nomination). Other than those things, the hook is cited in line in the article, but I would recommend that Andrès be spelled consistently with an è throughout the article. The article itself has been 5x expanded recently enough and is well-cited.--&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;background:white;color:&amp;quot;&amp;gt;[[User:Juhachi|'''&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;black&amp;quot;&amp;gt;十&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;''']][[User talk:Juhachi|'''&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;red&amp;quot;&amp;gt;八&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;''']]&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt; 20:18, 8 May 2017 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:{{ping|Juhachi}} I'll added the QPQ. I'll admit, I wasn't myself certain about which factoid may be more interesting so I just kind of doubled them up. So perhaps this one would work (also replacing &amp;quot;summit&amp;quot; with &amp;quot;vent&amp;quot; and &amp;quot;mountains&amp;quot; with &amp;quot;range&amp;quot; - which is what &amp;quot;cordillera&amp;quot; is usually translated to - as more accurate)? Also, for the image, the hook picture is cropped from the article image. [[User:Jo-Jo Eumerus|Jo-Jo Eumerus]] ([[User talk:Jo-Jo Eumerus|talk]], [[Special:CentralAuth/Jo-Jo Eumerus|contributions]]) 16:37, 9 May 2017 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
* '''ALT1''': ... that a geologist named a secondary vent of '''[[Palomo]]''' volcano (''pictured'') after his son, hoping that one day he would get to know the mountain range?&lt;br /&gt;
:*[[File:Symbol question.svg|16px]] The ALT1 hook looks good, and thank you for adding the QPQ. However, the cropped image is still technically not used in the article itself. Indeed, why is the much larger view of the Andes mountain range used in the article when you can't even identify Palomo in it without the aid of the crop? I know the caption says it's in the upper left portion, but if you don't know what you're looking for, it's next to impossible to discern. Are there really no other free images of this volcano? If not, I would recommend just using the cropped image in the article, which I see is already being done on three other wikis. And of course, said image still needs a caption in this nomination.--&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;background:white;color:&amp;quot;&amp;gt;[[User:Juhachi|'''&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;black&amp;quot;&amp;gt;十&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;''']][[User talk:Juhachi|'''&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;red&amp;quot;&amp;gt;八&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;''']]&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt; 20:09, 9 May 2017 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:*: {{ping|Juhachi}} Added caption and changed image. Obscure Andean volcanoes are not the sort of thing where free images are readily forthcoming. [[User:Jo-Jo Eumerus|Jo-Jo Eumerus]] ([[User talk:Jo-Jo Eumerus|talk]], [[Special:CentralAuth/Jo-Jo Eumerus|contributions]]) 15:11, 10 May 2017 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::* [[File:Symbol voting keep.svg|16px]] Everything looks good to go now for '''ALT1'''. Thank you for your time and the various corrections.--&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;background:white;color:&amp;quot;&amp;gt;[[User:Juhachi|'''&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;black&amp;quot;&amp;gt;十&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;''']][[User talk:Juhachi|'''&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;red&amp;quot;&amp;gt;八&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;''']]&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt; 20:20, 10 May 2017 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::::*[[File:Symbol question.svg|16px]] I find the hook rather trivial, being about the future of the son of a non-notable geologist. Is there anything more about the 1847 flood that might provide an interesting hook? [[User:Cwmhiraeth|Cwmhiraeth]] ([[User talk:Cwmhiraeth|talk]]) 06:02, 15 May 2017 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::::*: {{ping|Cwmhiraeth}} I don't think so unless someone familiar with Chilean history of that time has an idea. I'd argue that the hook was more centered on the peculiar etymology rather than about the person specifically. [[User:Jo-Jo Eumerus|Jo-Jo Eumerus]] ([[User talk:Jo-Jo Eumerus|talk]], [[Special:CentralAuth/Jo-Jo Eumerus|contributions]]) 15:00, 15 May 2017 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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* '''ALT2''': ... that the secondary vent of the volcano '''[[Palomo]]''' (''pictured'') was named after the son of the geologist who explored it? [[User:Cwmhiraeth|Cwmhiraeth]] ([[User talk:Cwmhiraeth|talk]]) 18:07, 15 May 2017 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
*: To me that seems an idea boring-er than ALT1. [[User:Jo-Jo Eumerus|Jo-Jo Eumerus]] ([[User talk:Jo-Jo Eumerus|talk]], [[Special:CentralAuth/Jo-Jo Eumerus|contributions]]) 18:48, 15 May 2017 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::*[[File:Symbol voting keep.svg|16px]] Well, I don't want to hold it up so I will restore Juhachi's tick, but I think &amp;quot;hoping that one day he would get to know the mountain range&amp;quot; is so trivial and unencyclopedic. [[User:Cwmhiraeth|Cwmhiraeth]] ([[User talk:Cwmhiraeth|talk]]) 20:16, 15 May 2017 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Both are rather, possibly equally, trivial, but ALT2 is better written. ALT1 reworded might be okay, but all things considered, the better writing of ALT2 should be preferred. --[[Special:Contributions/2601:648:8503:4467:BD8D:A6B0:350B:3F11|2601:648:8503:4467:BD8D:A6B0:350B:3F11]] ([[User talk:2601:648:8503:4467:BD8D:A6B0:350B:3F11|talk]]) 23:18, 15 May 2017 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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* &amp;lt;s&amp;gt;... that there is evidence that, once contaminated by [[norovirus]], toilets may continue to produce contaminated '''[[toilet plume]]s''' over multiple successive flushes?&amp;lt;/s&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
:&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;Source: &amp;quot;Environmental contamination has been shown to be a major source of [norovirus] infection on ships.... This may be due in part to the ability of toilets to continue generating contaminated toilet plume during multiple flushes after original contamination.&amp;quot; [http://www.ajicjournal.org/article/S0196-6553(12)00812-7/abstract]&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
:* ''Reviewed'': [[Template:Did you know nominations/Biological pest control|Biological pest control]]&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;5x expanded by [[User:John P. Sadowski (NIOSH)|John P. Sadowski (NIOSH)]] ([[User talk:John P. Sadowski (NIOSH)|talk]]). Self-nominated at 05:16, 20 April 2017 (UTC).&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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:* [[File:Symbol voting keep.svg|16px]] Length and date fine. A wee bit of good faith will go a long way on the offline source. QPQ done, no close paraphrasing upon inspection, no picture used (thank goodness!). Good to go, pull the chain! (sorry for the crap jokes). &amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;text-shadow:grey 0.5em 0.5em 0.6em;&amp;quot;&amp;gt; '''[[User:The C of E|&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;red&amp;quot;&amp;gt;The C of E  &amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;blue&amp;quot;&amp;gt; God Save the Queen!&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;]]''' ([[User talk:The C of E|&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;darkblue&amp;quot;&amp;gt;talk&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;]])&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt; 10:59, 26 April 2017 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
*'''Comment''' We have a source that says &amp;quot;although as of 2013 their transmission by toilet plume had not been directly studied&amp;quot;. So well foilet plumes may transmit norovirus one can equally say &amp;quot;they may&amp;quot; not. This is just a hypothesis without clear evidence yet to support it. [[User:Doc James|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#0000f1&amp;quot;&amp;gt;'''Doc James'''&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]] ([[User talk:Doc James|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Doc James|contribs]] · [[Special:EmailUser/Doc James|email]]) 17:14, 26 April 2017 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::{{ping|Tachs}} The hook lays no claims that norovirus can be spread via toilet plumes, however with Doc James comment unresolved, this hook is unlikely to get promoted. Would you consider proposing a different hook? Most people will never have heard of toilet plumes, so there is plenty of scope for hooks without mentioning pathogens which may or may not be present. I had a chuckle over the sentence &amp;quot;Disease transmission through droplet nuclei ... is not a concern for many pathogens&amp;quot;, wondering what topics most pathogens discuss these days! [[User:Cwmhiraeth|Cwmhiraeth]] ([[User talk:Cwmhiraeth|talk]]) 08:15, 6 May 2017 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::{{re|Cwmhiraeth}} Hi mate, guess you pinged me on this by mistake. This was reviewed by {{u|The C of E}} and I have pinged him for his attention. [[User:Tachs|jojo@nthony]] ([[User talk:Tachs|talk]]) 08:21, 6 May 2017 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::::Sorry, John P. Sadowski (NIOSH) edits under two names, the other being {{ping|Antony–22}}, and I got confused. [[User:Cwmhiraeth|Cwmhiraeth]] ([[User talk:Cwmhiraeth|talk]]) 08:39, 6 May 2017 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::Sorry for the delay on this.  I'd actually specifically pinged Doc James for his feedback [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Toilet_plume&amp;amp;diff=777345788&amp;amp;oldid=776838450 here].  {{Ping|Doc James|Cwmhiraeth|:The C of E}} The following hook should be more balanced; does it meet your approval? [[User:John P. Sadowski (NIOSH)|John P. Sadowski (NIOSH)]] ([[User talk:John P. Sadowski (NIOSH)|talk]]) 01:02, 8 May 2017 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::'''ALT1:''' ... that while there is indirect evidence that pathogens could be spread by a '''[[toilet plume]]''', no direct experimental studies have demonstrated actual disease transmission from toilet aerosols?&lt;br /&gt;
:::::::How about &amp;quot;... that while there is indirect evidence that disease could be spread by a '''[[toilet plume]]''', this remains unconfirmed?&amp;quot; [[User:Doc James|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#0000f1&amp;quot;&amp;gt;'''Doc James'''&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]] ([[User talk:Doc James|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Doc James|contribs]] · [[Special:EmailUser/Doc James|email]]) 14:09, 8 May 2017 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::::::::[[File:Symbol confirmed.svg|16px]] Sorry, been without internet for a few days. I approve Doc James' hook as it is sourced inline and fairly hooky. rest of the review stands. &amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;text-shadow:grey 0.5em 0.5em 0.6em;&amp;quot;&amp;gt; '''[[User:The C of E|&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;red&amp;quot;&amp;gt;The C of E  &amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;blue&amp;quot;&amp;gt; God Save the Queen!&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;]]''' ([[User talk:The C of E|&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;darkblue&amp;quot;&amp;gt;talk&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;]])&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt; 06:30, 9 May 2017 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::::::::Or &amp;quot;... that while there is indirect evidence of disease being spread by a [[toilet plume]], this remains unconfirmed?&amp;quot; Not sure if that flows better. [[User:Doc James|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#0000f1&amp;quot;&amp;gt;'''Doc James'''&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]] ([[User talk:Doc James|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Doc James|contribs]] · [[Special:EmailUser/Doc James|email]]) 01:38, 10 May 2017 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::::::::::Or '''ALT4:''' &amp;quot;... that there is indirect, but unconfirmed, evidence of certain diseases being spread by '''[[toilet plume]]'''?&amp;quot;  The research makes it clear that not all diseases are prone to be spread this way.  [[User:John P. Sadowski (NIOSH)|John P. Sadowski (NIOSH)]] ([[User talk:John P. Sadowski (NIOSH)|talk]]) 03:16, 10 May 2017 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::::::::::Lots good to me [[User:Doc James|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#0000f1&amp;quot;&amp;gt;'''Doc James'''&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]] ([[User talk:Doc James|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Doc James|contribs]] · [[Special:EmailUser/Doc James|email]]) 23:59, 10 May 2017 (UTC) &lt;br /&gt;
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I question the sourcing on this article, one citation has an abstract that directly contradicts what this article says it contains, for example. Please read comments on article talk page. Also, will '''someone''' please tell me what primary brain tumors in children have to do with norovirus contaminated toilet plumes on ships! --[[Special:Contributions/2601:648:8503:4467:BD8D:A6B0:350B:3F11|2601:648:8503:4467:BD8D:A6B0:350B:3F11]] ([[User talk:2601:648:8503:4467:BD8D:A6B0:350B:3F11|talk]]) 17:10, 15 May 2017 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:*&amp;quot;Epidemiological studies of norovirus in passenger airplanes[3] and ships,[4]&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
::*4. Allen, E. D.; Byrd, S. E.; Darling, C. F.; Tomita, T.; Wilczynski, M. A. (1 June 1993). &amp;quot;The clinical and radiological evaluation of primary brain tumors in children, Part I: Clinical evaluation.&amp;quot;. Journal of the National Medical Association. 85 (6): 445–451. ISSN 0027-9684. PMC 2571872 Freely accessible. PMID 8366534.&lt;br /&gt;
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On the first point, Ref. 1 says (emphasis added): &amp;quot;Environmental contamination has been shown to be a major source of AGE infection on ships...  This may be due in part to the ability of toilets to continue generating contaminated toilet plume during multiple flushes after original contamination as well as ''the apparent resistance of norovirus and perhaps other viruses to cleaning and disinfection.''&amp;quot;  That sentence directly cites Ref. 2, whose abstract says &amp;quot;In order consistently to achieve good hygiene, it was necessary to wipe the surface clean using a cloth soaked in detergent before applying the combined hypochlorite/detergent. When detergent cleaning alone or combined hypochlorite/detergent treatment failed to eliminate NV contamination from the surface and the cleaning cloth was then used to wipe another surface, the virus was transferred to that surface and to the hands of the person handling the cloth.&amp;quot;  So it's difficult to clean up norovirus contamination.&lt;br /&gt;
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On the second point...  good catch, somehow the wrong paper got cited.  I've replaced it with the correct one.  [[User:John P. Sadowski (NIOSH)|John P. Sadowski (NIOSH)]] ([[User talk:John P. Sadowski (NIOSH)|talk]]) 19:35, 15 May 2017 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Let me try to understand what you're doing; the first source is what the article is based upon, but the other sources like 3, 4, 5 have been added because they are used by the first source? --[[Special:Contributions/2600:387:6:803:0:0:0:AC|2600:387:6:803:0:0:0:AC]] ([[User talk:2600:387:6:803:0:0:0:AC|talk]]) 20:32, 15 May 2017 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::Yes, because for health information primary sources should not be used except in the context of secondary sources such as reviews.  References 2−4, 6, and 8 are all cited by the review in reference 1.  Reference 5 is a different review.  Reference 7 is only used to describe the physics of droplets and the types of experiment typically used to study toilet aerosols, and not health information directly.  References 9 and 10 are popular articles used only in the history section.  [[User:John P. Sadowski (NIOSH)|John P. Sadowski (NIOSH)]] ([[User talk:John P. Sadowski (NIOSH)|talk]]) 20:53, 15 May 2017 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::If I wrote something and got information from a source that was not stand alone, I would include both sources in the citation. I think this would lead to others not raising questions about synthesis or OR. (Even though i get the impression no one reads the sources. I once added 3 incorrect sources, citation about hops, to an article on a monkey, and caught and corrected it myself five years later on Wikipedia, no on else had noticed. Another editor even named the sources and added one to something he put in the article.) --[[Special:Contributions/2601:648:8503:4467:BD8D:A6B0:350B:3F11|2601:648:8503:4467:BD8D:A6B0:350B:3F11]] ([[User talk:2601:648:8503:4467:BD8D:A6B0:350B:3F11|talk]]) 23:11, 15 May 2017 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Also: if the &amp;quot;direct, but unconfirmed&amp;quot; bit sounds overly vague, we can use something closer to ALT1, which had more explanation.  For example:&lt;br /&gt;
* '''ALT5:''' ... that while there is indirect [[Epidemiology|epidemiological]] evidence that certain diseases could be spread by a '''[[toilet plume]]''', no direct experimental studies have confirmed or refuted this?  [[User:John P. Sadowski (NIOSH)|John P. Sadowski (NIOSH)]] ([[User talk:John P. Sadowski (NIOSH)|talk]]) 20:11, 15 May 2017 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;Source: &amp;quot;Environmental contamination has been shown to be a major source of [norovirus] infection on ships.... This may be due in part to the ability of toilets to continue generating contaminated toilet plume during multiple flushes after original contamination.&amp;quot; [http://www.ajicjournal.org/article/S0196-6553(12)00812-7/abstract]&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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:* [[File:Symbol voting keep.svg|16px]] Length and date fine. A wee bit of good faith will go a long way on the offline source. QPQ done, no close paraphrasing upon inspection, no picture used (thank goodness!). Good to go, pull the chain! (sorry for the crap jokes). &amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;text-shadow:grey 0.5em 0.5em 0.6em;&amp;quot;&amp;gt; '''[[User:The C of E|&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;red&amp;quot;&amp;gt;The C of E  &amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;blue&amp;quot;&amp;gt; God Save the Queen!&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;]]''' ([[User talk:The C of E|&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;darkblue&amp;quot;&amp;gt;talk&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;]])&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt; 10:59, 26 April 2017 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
*'''Comment''' We have a source that says &amp;quot;although as of 2013 their transmission by toilet plume had not been directly studied&amp;quot;. So well foilet plumes may transmit norovirus one can equally say &amp;quot;they may&amp;quot; not. This is just a hypothesis without clear evidence yet to support it. [[User:Doc James|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#0000f1&amp;quot;&amp;gt;'''Doc James'''&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]] ([[User talk:Doc James|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Doc James|contribs]] · [[Special:EmailUser/Doc James|email]]) 17:14, 26 April 2017 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::{{ping|Tachs}} The hook lays no claims that norovirus can be spread via toilet plumes, however with Doc James comment unresolved, this hook is unlikely to get promoted. Would you consider proposing a different hook? Most people will never have heard of toilet plumes, so there is plenty of scope for hooks without mentioning pathogens which may or may not be present. I had a chuckle over the sentence &amp;quot;Disease transmission through droplet nuclei ... is not a concern for many pathogens&amp;quot;, wondering what topics most pathogens discuss these days! [[User:Cwmhiraeth|Cwmhiraeth]] ([[User talk:Cwmhiraeth|talk]]) 08:15, 6 May 2017 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::{{re|Cwmhiraeth}} Hi mate, guess you pinged me on this by mistake. This was reviewed by {{u|The C of E}} and I have pinged him for his attention. [[User:Tachs|jojo@nthony]] ([[User talk:Tachs|talk]]) 08:21, 6 May 2017 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::::Sorry, John P. Sadowski (NIOSH) edits under two names, the other being {{ping|Antony–22}}, and I got confused. [[User:Cwmhiraeth|Cwmhiraeth]] ([[User talk:Cwmhiraeth|talk]]) 08:39, 6 May 2017 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::Sorry for the delay on this.  I'd actually specifically pinged Doc James for his feedback [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Toilet_plume&amp;amp;diff=777345788&amp;amp;oldid=776838450 here].  {{Ping|Doc James|Cwmhiraeth|:The C of E}} The following hook should be more balanced; does it meet your approval? [[User:John P. Sadowski (NIOSH)|John P. Sadowski (NIOSH)]] ([[User talk:John P. Sadowski (NIOSH)|talk]]) 01:02, 8 May 2017 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::'''ALT1:''' ... that while there is indirect evidence that pathogens could be spread by a '''[[toilet plume]]''', no direct experimental studies have demonstrated actual disease transmission from toilet aerosols?&lt;br /&gt;
:::::::How about &amp;quot;... that while there is indirect evidence that disease could be spread by a '''[[toilet plume]]''', this remains unconfirmed?&amp;quot; [[User:Doc James|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#0000f1&amp;quot;&amp;gt;'''Doc James'''&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]] ([[User talk:Doc James|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Doc James|contribs]] · [[Special:EmailUser/Doc James|email]]) 14:09, 8 May 2017 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::::::::[[File:Symbol confirmed.svg|16px]] Sorry, been without internet for a few days. I approve Doc James' hook as it is sourced inline and fairly hooky. rest of the review stands. &amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;text-shadow:grey 0.5em 0.5em 0.6em;&amp;quot;&amp;gt; '''[[User:The C of E|&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;red&amp;quot;&amp;gt;The C of E  &amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;blue&amp;quot;&amp;gt; God Save the Queen!&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;]]''' ([[User talk:The C of E|&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;darkblue&amp;quot;&amp;gt;talk&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;]])&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt; 06:30, 9 May 2017 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::::::::Or &amp;quot;... that while there is indirect evidence of disease being spread by a [[toilet plume]], this remains unconfirmed?&amp;quot; Not sure if that flows better. [[User:Doc James|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#0000f1&amp;quot;&amp;gt;'''Doc James'''&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]] ([[User talk:Doc James|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Doc James|contribs]] · [[Special:EmailUser/Doc James|email]]) 01:38, 10 May 2017 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::::::::::Or '''ALT4:''' &amp;quot;... that there is indirect, but unconfirmed, evidence of certain diseases being spread by '''[[toilet plume]]'''?&amp;quot;  The research makes it clear that not all diseases are prone to be spread this way.  [[User:John P. Sadowski (NIOSH)|John P. Sadowski (NIOSH)]] ([[User talk:John P. Sadowski (NIOSH)|talk]]) 03:16, 10 May 2017 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::::::::::Lots good to me [[User:Doc James|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#0000f1&amp;quot;&amp;gt;'''Doc James'''&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]] ([[User talk:Doc James|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Doc James|contribs]] · [[Special:EmailUser/Doc James|email]]) 23:59, 10 May 2017 (UTC) &lt;br /&gt;
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I question the sourcing on this article, one citation has an abstract that directly contradicts what this article says it contains, for example. Please read comments on article talk page. Also, will '''someone''' please tell me what primary brain tumors in children have to do with norovirus contaminated toilet plumes on ships! --[[Special:Contributions/2601:648:8503:4467:BD8D:A6B0:350B:3F11|2601:648:8503:4467:BD8D:A6B0:350B:3F11]] ([[User talk:2601:648:8503:4467:BD8D:A6B0:350B:3F11|talk]]) 17:10, 15 May 2017 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:*&amp;quot;Epidemiological studies of norovirus in passenger airplanes[3] and ships,[4]&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
::*4. Allen, E. D.; Byrd, S. E.; Darling, C. F.; Tomita, T.; Wilczynski, M. A. (1 June 1993). &amp;quot;The clinical and radiological evaluation of primary brain tumors in children, Part I: Clinical evaluation.&amp;quot;. Journal of the National Medical Association. 85 (6): 445–451. ISSN 0027-9684. PMC 2571872 Freely accessible. PMID 8366534.&lt;br /&gt;
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On the first point, Ref. 1 says (emphasis added): &amp;quot;Environmental contamination has been shown to be a major source of AGE infection on ships...  This may be due in part to the ability of toilets to continue generating contaminated toilet plume during multiple flushes after original contamination as well as ''the apparent resistance of norovirus and perhaps other viruses to cleaning and disinfection.''&amp;quot;  That sentence directly cites Ref. 2, whose abstract says &amp;quot;In order consistently to achieve good hygiene, it was necessary to wipe the surface clean using a cloth soaked in detergent before applying the combined hypochlorite/detergent. When detergent cleaning alone or combined hypochlorite/detergent treatment failed to eliminate NV contamination from the surface and the cleaning cloth was then used to wipe another surface, the virus was transferred to that surface and to the hands of the person handling the cloth.&amp;quot;  So it's difficult to clean up norovirus contamination.&lt;br /&gt;
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On the second point...  good catch, somehow the wrong paper got cited.  I've replaced it with the correct one.  [[User:John P. Sadowski (NIOSH)|John P. Sadowski (NIOSH)]] ([[User talk:John P. Sadowski (NIOSH)|talk]]) 19:35, 15 May 2017 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Let me try to understand what you're doing; the first source is what the article is based upon, but the other sources like 3, 4, 5 have been added because they are used by the first source? --[[Special:Contributions/2600:387:6:803:0:0:0:AC|2600:387:6:803:0:0:0:AC]] ([[User talk:2600:387:6:803:0:0:0:AC|talk]]) 20:32, 15 May 2017 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::Yes, because for health information primary sources should not be used except in the context of secondary sources such as reviews.  References 2−4, 6, and 8 are all cited by the review in reference 1.  Reference 5 is a different review.  Reference 7 is only used to describe the physics of droplets and the types of experiment typically used to study toilet aerosols, and not health information directly.  References 9 and 10 are popular articles used only in the history section.  [[User:John P. Sadowski (NIOSH)|John P. Sadowski (NIOSH)]] ([[User talk:John P. Sadowski (NIOSH)|talk]]) 20:53, 15 May 2017 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::If I wrote something and got information from a source that was not stand alone, I would include both sources in the citation. --[[Special:Contributions/2601:648:8503:4467:BD8D:A6B0:350B:3F11|2601:648:8503:4467:BD8D:A6B0:350B:3F11]] ([[User talk:2601:648:8503:4467:BD8D:A6B0:350B:3F11|talk]]) 23:11, 15 May 2017 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Also: if the &amp;quot;direct, but unconfirmed&amp;quot; bit sounds overly vague, we can use something closer to ALT1, which had more explanation.  For example:&lt;br /&gt;
* '''ALT5:''' ... that while there is indirect [[Epidemiology|epidemiological]] evidence that certain diseases could be spread by a '''[[toilet plume]]''', no direct experimental studies have confirmed or refuted this?  [[User:John P. Sadowski (NIOSH)|John P. Sadowski (NIOSH)]] ([[User talk:John P. Sadowski (NIOSH)|talk]]) 20:11, 15 May 2017 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;Source: &amp;quot;Environmental contamination has been shown to be a major source of [norovirus] infection on ships.... This may be due in part to the ability of toilets to continue generating contaminated toilet plume during multiple flushes after original contamination.&amp;quot; [http://www.ajicjournal.org/article/S0196-6553(12)00812-7/abstract]&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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:* [[File:Symbol voting keep.svg|16px]] Length and date fine. A wee bit of good faith will go a long way on the offline source. QPQ done, no close paraphrasing upon inspection, no picture used (thank goodness!). Good to go, pull the chain! (sorry for the crap jokes). &amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;text-shadow:grey 0.5em 0.5em 0.6em;&amp;quot;&amp;gt; '''[[User:The C of E|&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;red&amp;quot;&amp;gt;The C of E  &amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;blue&amp;quot;&amp;gt; God Save the Queen!&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;]]''' ([[User talk:The C of E|&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;darkblue&amp;quot;&amp;gt;talk&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;]])&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt; 10:59, 26 April 2017 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
*'''Comment''' We have a source that says &amp;quot;although as of 2013 their transmission by toilet plume had not been directly studied&amp;quot;. So well foilet plumes may transmit norovirus one can equally say &amp;quot;they may&amp;quot; not. This is just a hypothesis without clear evidence yet to support it. [[User:Doc James|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#0000f1&amp;quot;&amp;gt;'''Doc James'''&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]] ([[User talk:Doc James|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Doc James|contribs]] · [[Special:EmailUser/Doc James|email]]) 17:14, 26 April 2017 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::{{ping|Tachs}} The hook lays no claims that norovirus can be spread via toilet plumes, however with Doc James comment unresolved, this hook is unlikely to get promoted. Would you consider proposing a different hook? Most people will never have heard of toilet plumes, so there is plenty of scope for hooks without mentioning pathogens which may or may not be present. I had a chuckle over the sentence &amp;quot;Disease transmission through droplet nuclei ... is not a concern for many pathogens&amp;quot;, wondering what topics most pathogens discuss these days! [[User:Cwmhiraeth|Cwmhiraeth]] ([[User talk:Cwmhiraeth|talk]]) 08:15, 6 May 2017 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::{{re|Cwmhiraeth}} Hi mate, guess you pinged me on this by mistake. This was reviewed by {{u|The C of E}} and I have pinged him for his attention. [[User:Tachs|jojo@nthony]] ([[User talk:Tachs|talk]]) 08:21, 6 May 2017 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::::Sorry, John P. Sadowski (NIOSH) edits under two names, the other being {{ping|Antony–22}}, and I got confused. [[User:Cwmhiraeth|Cwmhiraeth]] ([[User talk:Cwmhiraeth|talk]]) 08:39, 6 May 2017 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::Sorry for the delay on this.  I'd actually specifically pinged Doc James for his feedback [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Toilet_plume&amp;amp;diff=777345788&amp;amp;oldid=776838450 here].  {{Ping|Doc James|Cwmhiraeth|:The C of E}} The following hook should be more balanced; does it meet your approval? [[User:John P. Sadowski (NIOSH)|John P. Sadowski (NIOSH)]] ([[User talk:John P. Sadowski (NIOSH)|talk]]) 01:02, 8 May 2017 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::'''ALT1:''' ... that while there is indirect evidence that pathogens could be spread by a '''[[toilet plume]]''', no direct experimental studies have demonstrated actual disease transmission from toilet aerosols?&lt;br /&gt;
:::::::How about &amp;quot;... that while there is indirect evidence that disease could be spread by a '''[[toilet plume]]''', this remains unconfirmed?&amp;quot; [[User:Doc James|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#0000f1&amp;quot;&amp;gt;'''Doc James'''&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]] ([[User talk:Doc James|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Doc James|contribs]] · [[Special:EmailUser/Doc James|email]]) 14:09, 8 May 2017 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::::::::[[File:Symbol confirmed.svg|16px]] Sorry, been without internet for a few days. I approve Doc James' hook as it is sourced inline and fairly hooky. rest of the review stands. &amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;text-shadow:grey 0.5em 0.5em 0.6em;&amp;quot;&amp;gt; '''[[User:The C of E|&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;red&amp;quot;&amp;gt;The C of E  &amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;blue&amp;quot;&amp;gt; God Save the Queen!&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;]]''' ([[User talk:The C of E|&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;darkblue&amp;quot;&amp;gt;talk&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;]])&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt; 06:30, 9 May 2017 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::::::::Or &amp;quot;... that while there is indirect evidence of disease being spread by a [[toilet plume]], this remains unconfirmed?&amp;quot; Not sure if that flows better. [[User:Doc James|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#0000f1&amp;quot;&amp;gt;'''Doc James'''&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]] ([[User talk:Doc James|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Doc James|contribs]] · [[Special:EmailUser/Doc James|email]]) 01:38, 10 May 2017 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::::::::::Or '''ALT4:''' &amp;quot;... that there is indirect, but unconfirmed, evidence of certain diseases being spread by '''[[toilet plume]]'''?&amp;quot;  The research makes it clear that not all diseases are prone to be spread this way.  [[User:John P. Sadowski (NIOSH)|John P. Sadowski (NIOSH)]] ([[User talk:John P. Sadowski (NIOSH)|talk]]) 03:16, 10 May 2017 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::::::::::Lots good to me [[User:Doc James|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#0000f1&amp;quot;&amp;gt;'''Doc James'''&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]] ([[User talk:Doc James|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Doc James|contribs]] · [[Special:EmailUser/Doc James|email]]) 23:59, 10 May 2017 (UTC) &lt;br /&gt;
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* I have reopened this per concerns raised at [[WT:DYK]]. [[User:Gatoclass|Gatoclass]] ([[User talk:Gatoclass|talk]]) 16:55, 15 May 2017 (UTC)    &lt;br /&gt;
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I question the sourcing on this article, one citation has an abstract that directly contradicts what this article says it contains, for example. Please read comments on article talk page. Also, will '''someone''' please tell me what primary brain tumors in children have to do with norovirus contaminated toilet plumes on ships! --[[Special:Contributions/2601:648:8503:4467:BD8D:A6B0:350B:3F11|2601:648:8503:4467:BD8D:A6B0:350B:3F11]] ([[User talk:2601:648:8503:4467:BD8D:A6B0:350B:3F11|talk]]) 17:10, 15 May 2017 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:*&amp;quot;Epidemiological studies of norovirus in passenger airplanes[3] and ships,[4]&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
::*4. Allen, E. D.; Byrd, S. E.; Darling, C. F.; Tomita, T.; Wilczynski, M. A. (1 June 1993). &amp;quot;The clinical and radiological evaluation of primary brain tumors in children, Part I: Clinical evaluation.&amp;quot;. Journal of the National Medical Association. 85 (6): 445–451. ISSN 0027-9684. PMC 2571872 Freely accessible. PMID 8366534.&lt;br /&gt;
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:&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;Source: &amp;quot;Environmental contamination has been shown to be a major source of [norovirus] infection on ships.... This may be due in part to the ability of toilets to continue generating contaminated toilet plume during multiple flushes after original contamination.&amp;quot; [http://www.ajicjournal.org/article/S0196-6553(12)00812-7/abstract]&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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:* [[File:Symbol voting keep.svg|16px]] Length and date fine. A wee bit of good faith will go a long way on the offline source. QPQ done, no close paraphrasing upon inspection, no picture used (thank goodness!). Good to go, pull the chain! (sorry for the crap jokes). &amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;text-shadow:grey 0.5em 0.5em 0.6em;&amp;quot;&amp;gt; '''[[User:The C of E|&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;red&amp;quot;&amp;gt;The C of E  &amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;blue&amp;quot;&amp;gt; God Save the Queen!&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;]]''' ([[User talk:The C of E|&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;darkblue&amp;quot;&amp;gt;talk&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;]])&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt; 10:59, 26 April 2017 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
*'''Comment''' We have a source that says &amp;quot;although as of 2013 their transmission by toilet plume had not been directly studied&amp;quot;. So well foilet plumes may transmit norovirus one can equally say &amp;quot;they may&amp;quot; not. This is just a hypothesis without clear evidence yet to support it. [[User:Doc James|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#0000f1&amp;quot;&amp;gt;'''Doc James'''&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]] ([[User talk:Doc James|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Doc James|contribs]] · [[Special:EmailUser/Doc James|email]]) 17:14, 26 April 2017 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::{{ping|Tachs}} The hook lays no claims that norovirus can be spread via toilet plumes, however with Doc James comment unresolved, this hook is unlikely to get promoted. Would you consider proposing a different hook? Most people will never have heard of toilet plumes, so there is plenty of scope for hooks without mentioning pathogens which may or may not be present. I had a chuckle over the sentence &amp;quot;Disease transmission through droplet nuclei ... is not a concern for many pathogens&amp;quot;, wondering what topics most pathogens discuss these days! [[User:Cwmhiraeth|Cwmhiraeth]] ([[User talk:Cwmhiraeth|talk]]) 08:15, 6 May 2017 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::{{re|Cwmhiraeth}} Hi mate, guess you pinged me on this by mistake. This was reviewed by {{u|The C of E}} and I have pinged him for his attention. [[User:Tachs|jojo@nthony]] ([[User talk:Tachs|talk]]) 08:21, 6 May 2017 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::::Sorry, John P. Sadowski (NIOSH) edits under two names, the other being {{ping|Antony–22}}, and I got confused. [[User:Cwmhiraeth|Cwmhiraeth]] ([[User talk:Cwmhiraeth|talk]]) 08:39, 6 May 2017 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::Sorry for the delay on this.  I'd actually specifically pinged Doc James for his feedback [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Toilet_plume&amp;amp;diff=777345788&amp;amp;oldid=776838450 here].  {{Ping|Doc James|Cwmhiraeth|:The C of E}} The following hook should be more balanced; does it meet your approval? [[User:John P. Sadowski (NIOSH)|John P. Sadowski (NIOSH)]] ([[User talk:John P. Sadowski (NIOSH)|talk]]) 01:02, 8 May 2017 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::'''ALT1:''' ... that while there is indirect evidence that pathogens could be spread by a '''[[toilet plume]]''', no direct experimental studies have demonstrated actual disease transmission from toilet aerosols?&lt;br /&gt;
:::::::How about &amp;quot;... that while there is indirect evidence that disease could be spread by a '''[[toilet plume]]''', this remains unconfirmed?&amp;quot; [[User:Doc James|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#0000f1&amp;quot;&amp;gt;'''Doc James'''&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]] ([[User talk:Doc James|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Doc James|contribs]] · [[Special:EmailUser/Doc James|email]]) 14:09, 8 May 2017 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::::::::[[File:Symbol confirmed.svg|16px]] Sorry, been without internet for a few days. I approve Doc James' hook as it is sourced inline and fairly hooky. rest of the review stands. &amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;text-shadow:grey 0.5em 0.5em 0.6em;&amp;quot;&amp;gt; '''[[User:The C of E|&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;red&amp;quot;&amp;gt;The C of E  &amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;blue&amp;quot;&amp;gt; God Save the Queen!&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;]]''' ([[User talk:The C of E|&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;darkblue&amp;quot;&amp;gt;talk&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt;]])&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt; 06:30, 9 May 2017 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::::::::Or &amp;quot;... that while there is indirect evidence of disease being spread by a [[toilet plume]], this remains unconfirmed?&amp;quot; Not sure if that flows better. [[User:Doc James|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#0000f1&amp;quot;&amp;gt;'''Doc James'''&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]] ([[User talk:Doc James|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Doc James|contribs]] · [[Special:EmailUser/Doc James|email]]) 01:38, 10 May 2017 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::::::::::Or '''ALT4:''' &amp;quot;... that there is indirect, but unconfirmed, evidence of certain diseases being spread by '''[[toilet plume]]'''?&amp;quot;  The research makes it clear that not all diseases are prone to be spread this way.  [[User:John P. Sadowski (NIOSH)|John P. Sadowski (NIOSH)]] ([[User talk:John P. Sadowski (NIOSH)|talk]]) 03:16, 10 May 2017 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::::::::::Lots good to me [[User:Doc James|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#0000f1&amp;quot;&amp;gt;'''Doc James'''&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]] ([[User talk:Doc James|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Doc James|contribs]] · [[Special:EmailUser/Doc James|email]]) 23:59, 10 May 2017 (UTC) &lt;br /&gt;
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* I have reopened this per concerns raised at [[WT:DYK]]. [[User:Gatoclass|Gatoclass]] ([[User talk:Gatoclass|talk]]) 16:55, 15 May 2017 (UTC)    &lt;br /&gt;
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I question the sourcing on this article, one citation has an abstract that directly contradicts what this article says it contains, for example. Please read comments on article talk page. Also, will '''someone''' please tell me what primary brain tumors in children have to do with norovirus contaminated toilet plumes on ships! --[[Special:Contributions/2601:648:8503:4467:BD8D:A6B0:350B:3F11|2601:648:8503:4467:BD8D:A6B0:350B:3F11]] ([[User talk:2601:648:8503:4467:BD8D:A6B0:350B:3F11|talk]]) 17:10, 15 May 2017 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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