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Template:Did you know nominations/Underclass All-American

2012-06-10T14:50:51Z

69.158.118.187:

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====Underclass All-American====
{{DYK nompage links|nompage=Underclass All-American|Underclass All-American}}

{{*mp}}... that publications such as ''[[ESPN HS]]'', ''[[College Football News]]'' and ''[[Collegiate Baseball]]'' annually select '''[[Underclass All-American]]s''' in various sports?

:*''Reviewed'': 9th of 12 QPQs for [[Template:Did you know nominations/Kieran Govers, Simon Orchard, Robert Hammond, Nathan Burgers, Matthew Butturini, Kiel Brown, Joel Carroll, Mark Knowles (field hockey), Fergus Kavanagh, Glenn Turner (field hockey), Jason Wilson (field hockey), Russell Ford]].
Created/expanded by [[User:TonyTheTiger|TonyTheTiger]] ([[User talk:TonyTheTiger|talk]]). Self nom at 03:38, 25 April 2012 (UTC)


:*This needs a quick copyedit, and I'm a little worried about how short the last 2 sections are. But the hook is cited, etc., and it looks good to me otherwise. (Sorry, I don't know very much about DYK. I'm learning!) [[User:Keilana|Keilana]]<nowiki>|</nowiki>[[User talk:Keilana|Parlez ici]] 02:27, 8 May 2012 (UTC)
::*Can you point out your copyedit issues.--[[User:TonyTheTiger|TonyTheTiger]] ([[User talk:TonyTheTiger|T]]/[[Special:Contributions/TonyTheTiger|C]]/[[User:TonyTheTiger/Antonio Vernon|BIO]]/[[WP:CHICAGO]]/[[WP:FOUR]]) 03:38, 8 May 2012 (UTC)
:::*Sure, for starters the first sentence has two very long clauses beginning with "who", which makes it a bit difficult on the reader. I'm also wondering if there should be a "the" before certain teams, like "Junior All-American Team", etc. That's the most of it, I think. [[User:Keilana|Keilana]]<nowiki>|</nowiki>[[User talk:Keilana|Parlez ici]] 12:36, 8 May 2012 (UTC)

:*[[File:Symbol possible vote.svg|16px]]I'm concerned about the referencing in this article. For one, the article is a compilation of different organizations that pick Underclass All-Americans. For most of those organizations, the article only cites that particular organization. The sources given for the sentence "College Football News (CFN) chooses annual NCAA Division I men's college football Freshman All-American teams that it calls All-Freshman teams" do not actually make that claim. --[[User:Carabinieri|Carabinieri]] ([[User talk:Carabinieri|talk]]) 16:22, 10 May 2012 (UTC)
::*It points to the 2011 team and a player selected to the 2010 team.--[[User:TonyTheTiger|TonyTheTiger]] ([[User talk:TonyTheTiger|T]]/[[Special:Contributions/TonyTheTiger|C]]/[[User:TonyTheTiger/Antonio Vernon|BIO]]/[[WP:CHICAGO]]/[[WP:FOUR]]) 17:58, 10 May 2012 (UTC)
:::*[[File:Symbol possible vote.svg|16px]] Related to Carabinieri's concern, I have serious doubts about the [[WP:N|notability]] of these lists, but so far I have stopped short of nominating the article at AfD. As near as I can determine from the sources cited and what I find in Google searching, sports reporters at media outlets like ''[[Sporting News]]'' and [[ESPN]] generate lists of top underclassmen based on information from news sources (for example, ''Sporting News'' says: "All Sporting News college basketball awards were voted on by staff writers and editors, in consultation with coaches and scouts around the country") and then publish articles about their own lists. Unlike the situation with "regular" (all-class) All-American designations, I don't find indications that other publications pick up the information and publish articles about the various underclass lists. Accordingly, this topic does not look notable to me. (I intend to start an AfD, but first I will give the article proponent(s) a chance to try to talk me out of it.) --[[User:Orlady|Orlady]] ([[User talk:Orlady|talk]]) 04:59, 20 May 2012 (UTC)
::::*They are more commonly known by the individual names than this umbrella name.--[[User:TonyTheTiger|TonyTheTiger]] ([[User talk:TonyTheTiger|T]]/[[Special:Contributions/TonyTheTiger|C]]/[[User:TonyTheTiger/Antonio Vernon|BIO]]/[[WP:CHICAGO]]/[[WP:FOUR]]) 06:18, 20 May 2012 (UTC)
:::::*Regardless of what the names of the distinctions are, I don't find evidence of third-party attention to these lists. I admit that I got excited when I saw "Jersey Journal" as the name of a website that was publishing information about a "Junior All-American" list, thinking it was a third-party publication from New Jersey providing information about this topic, but it turned out to be a different kind of "Jersey": [http://jerseyjournal.usjersey.com/All%20Americans/08_AllAmericans/JrAllAmericans.htm Jersey Journal Junior All-Americans]. --[[User:Orlady|Orlady]] ([[User talk:Orlady|talk]]) 18:55, 20 May 2012 (UTC)
::::::*Google "freshman all-american team".--[[User:TonyTheTiger|TonyTheTiger]] ([[User talk:TonyTheTiger|T]]/[[Special:Contributions/TonyTheTiger|C]]/[[User:TonyTheTiger/Antonio Vernon|BIO]]/[[WP:CHICAGO]]/[[WP:FOUR]]) 21:02, 20 May 2012 (UTC)
*[[File:Symbol possible vote.svg|16px]] References still don't discuss the term itself. I agree with Orlady. — [[User:Crisco 1492|Crisco 1492]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 03:39, 26 May 2012 (UTC)
**What about reference #1.--[[User:TonyTheTiger|TonyTheTiger]] ([[User talk:TonyTheTiger|T]]/[[Special:Contributions/TonyTheTiger|C]]/[[User:TonyTheTiger/Antonio Vernon|BIO]]/[[WP:CHICAGO]]/[[WP:FOUR]]) 04:40, 26 May 2012 (UTC)
***Yes, ESPN published a list of the "ESPN RISE Underclass All-Americans Boys Basketball Team" and the AAU issued a press release about it. That does not indicate that the generic concept and terminology of "Underclass All-Americans" has notability. (In that AAU piece, I was almost surprised not to see "®" next to the term "ESPN RISE Underclass All-Americans Boys Basketball Team".) --[[User:Orlady|Orlady]] ([[User talk:Orlady|talk]]) 12:58, 26 May 2012 (UTC)
****There are press releases about individual winners. What does that get me.--[[User:TonyTheTiger|TonyTheTiger]] ([[User talk:TonyTheTiger|T]]/[[Special:Contributions/TonyTheTiger|C]]/[[User:TonyTheTiger/Antonio Vernon|BIO]]/[[WP:CHICAGO]]/[[WP:FOUR]]) 17:34, 26 May 2012 (UTC)
*[[File:Symbol delete vote.svg|16px]] Can I fail my own nomination?--[[User:TonyTheTiger|TonyTheTiger]] ([[User talk:TonyTheTiger|T]]/[[Special:Contributions/TonyTheTiger|C]]/[[User:TonyTheTiger/Antonio Vernon|BIO]]/[[WP:CHICAGO]]/[[WP:FOUR]]) 08:10, 10 June 2012 (UTC)
** Withdraw any time, Tiger. --[[Special:Contributions/69.158.118.187|69.158.118.187]] ([[User talk:69.158.118.187|talk]]) 14:50, 10 June 2012 (UTC)

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Template:Did you know nominations/Mural with Blue Brushstroke & Mermaid

2012-06-03T16:26:20Z

69.158.118.187:

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====Mural with Blue Brushstroke, Mermaid (Roy Lichtenstein)====
{{DYK nompage links|nompage=Mural with Blue Brushstroke & Mermaid|Mural with Blue Brushstroke|Mermaid (Roy Lichtenstein)}}

{{*mp}}... that [[Roy Lichtenstein]] was [[Commission (art)|commissioned]] to create '''''[[Mural with Blue Brushstroke]]''''', but his first commission for [[public art]] was '''''[[Mermaid (Roy Lichtenstein)|Mermaid]]'''''?

:*''Reviewed'': [[Template:Did you know nominations/Holothuria spinifera]]
Created/expanded by [[User:TonyTheTiger|TonyTheTiger]] ([[User talk:TonyTheTiger|talk]]). Self nom at 13:05, 15 May 2012 (UTC)


:*[[File:Symbol question.svg|16px]]Both the 'Mural' and 'Mermaid' articles are a little too short with 1481 and 1491 characters, removing all the quotes. [[User:Mikenorton|Mikenorton]] ([[User talk:Mikenorton|talk]]) 22:12, 25 May 2012 (UTC)
::*Is there a new rule about removing all the quotes? Quotes are prose.--[[User:TonyTheTiger|TonyTheTiger]] ([[User talk:TonyTheTiger|T]]/[[Special:Contributions/TonyTheTiger|C]]/[[User:TonyTheTiger/Antonio Vernon|BIO]]/[[WP:CHICAGO]]/[[WP:FOUR]]) 23:15, 25 May 2012 (UTC)
:::*P.S. pages reformatted and expanded.--[[User:TonyTheTiger|TonyTheTiger]] ([[User talk:TonyTheTiger|T]]/[[Special:Contributions/TonyTheTiger|C]]/[[User:TonyTheTiger/Antonio Vernon|BIO]]/[[WP:CHICAGO]]/[[WP:FOUR]]) 23:25, 25 May 2012 (UTC)

:*OK, re-reading the rules I see that it only mentions 'block quotes', so sorry - not that a small increase will have harmed these articles and thanks for that. The articles are both new enough and long enough with enough citations. AGF for Plagiarism/copyvio. I don't personally find the hook that interesting - perhaps something referring to them being amongst his few major commissioned pieces of public art (based on [http://www.moma.org/collection/artist.php?artist_id=3542 this])? [[User:Mikenorton|Mikenorton]] ([[User talk:Mikenorton|talk]]) 21:08, 27 May 2012 (UTC)
::*I am not comfortable with the change you are suggesting because I don't believe the source you are pointing me to is complete. Those are selected commissions.--[[User:TonyTheTiger|TonyTheTiger]] ([[User talk:TonyTheTiger|T]]/[[Special:Contributions/TonyTheTiger|C]]/[[User:TonyTheTiger/Antonio Vernon|BIO]]/[[WP:CHICAGO]]/[[WP:FOUR]]) 21:18, 27 May 2012 (UTC)
:::*OK, fair enough, how about (based on the same source)

:*'''ALT1''' ... that '''''[[Mural with Blue Brushstroke]]''''' and '''''[[Mermaid (Roy Lichtenstein)|Mermaid]]''''' were amongst [[Roy Lichtenstein]]'s major [[Commission (art)|commissioned]] pieces of [[public art]]? [[User:Mikenorton|Mikenorton]] ([[User talk:Mikenorton|talk]]) 21:10, 28 May 2012 (UTC)
::*That is O.K., but it seems less interesting than the original.--[[User:TonyTheTiger|TonyTheTiger]] ([[User talk:TonyTheTiger|T]]/[[Special:Contributions/TonyTheTiger|C]]/[[User:TonyTheTiger/Antonio Vernon|BIO]]/[[WP:CHICAGO]]/[[WP:FOUR]]) 23:57, 28 May 2012 (UTC)
*{{DYK?again}} What is going on with this nom?--[[User:TonyTheTiger|TonyTheTiger]] ([[User talk:TonyTheTiger|T]]/[[Special:Contributions/TonyTheTiger|C]]/[[User:TonyTheTiger/Antonio Vernon|BIO]]/[[WP:CHICAGO]]/[[WP:FOUR]]) 04:10, 2 June 2012 (UTC)
:*'''ALT 2''' ... that [[Roy Lichtenstein]]'s first [[Commission (art)|commissioned]] public art ''''' [[Mermaid (Roy Lichtenstein)|Mermaid]]''''' was regarded as "dazzlingly silly and provocative" while his later effort '''''[[Mural with Blue Brushstroke]]''''' was “a hedonistic view of earthly insignificance" ? [[User:Froggerlaura|Froggerlaura]] [[User talk:Froggerlaura|ribbit]] 21:26, 2 June 2012 (UTC)

:* [[File:Symbol question.svg|16px]] I find myself singularly underwhelmed by the article about Mermaid. From the article, I couldn't figure out where it is (the location is a redlink). A little web research indicates that it's not in Miami proper (as the article states), but in Miami Beach, at the Jackie Gleason Center at the [[Miami Beach Convention Center]]. (See [http://www.miaminewtimes.com/content/printVersion/235545/ this article] for more information.) There have been problems with maintenance of the artwork, but it was restored and rededicated in 2001 (according to [http://www.bluffton.edu/~sullivanm/florida/miami/lichtenstein/mermaid.html this webpage]) and again in 2010 (according to [http://www.rosalowinger.com/2010/12/lichtenstein-mermaid-completed.html this page]). The Jackie Gleason Center is being torn down (or perhaps has already been torn down), and I haven't figured out what the current status of the sculpture is. I don't believe that an article that is so unclueful about its topic as this one is deserves to be featured on the main page. --[[User:Orlady|Orlady]] ([[User talk:Orlady|talk]]) 22:17, 2 June 2012 (UTC)

:*Regarding hooks, IMO the best way to handle these is to look for separate hooks for the two articles. There is no particularly good reason to connect these two articles, as only thing these artworks appear to have in common is that they were commissioned as public art. However, [[Mural with Blue Brushstroke]] incorporates elements of the artist's other works, including [[Artist's Studio—Look Mickey]], which in turn incorporates another earlier work. IMO, Blush Brushstroke should be combined with the May 9th nomination for [[Artist's Studio—Look Mickey]] and [[Look Mickey]], to make a single 3-article hook. See [[Template:Did you know nominations/Artist's Studio—Look Mickey, Look Mickey]]. --[[User:Orlady|Orlady]] ([[User talk:Orlady|talk]]) 22:28, 2 June 2012 (UTC)
::*I believe that you are mistaken regarding the sampling of a sampling of work that you describe.--[[User:TonyTheTiger|TonyTheTiger]] ([[User talk:TonyTheTiger|T]]/[[Special:Contributions/TonyTheTiger|C]]/[[User:TonyTheTiger/Antonio Vernon|BIO]]/[[WP:CHICAGO]]/[[WP:FOUR]]) 01:14, 3 June 2012 (UTC)
: As of February 2012, the theater is still standing [http://www.sunpostweekly.com/2012/02/23/news-miami-beach-looks-to-reinvent-the-convention-center-district/] so I would assume the sculpture is still there. [[User:Froggerlaura|Froggerlaura]] [[User talk:Froggerlaura|ribbit]] 23:37, 2 June 2012 (UTC)

* I see no compelling reasons to pair up these two articles in particular for a double DYK hook. Please split them up.
:*'''ALT 3''' ... that '''''[[Mermaid (Roy Lichtenstein)|Mermaid]]''''' in [[Miami Beach]] was [[Roy Lichtenstein]]'s first [[Commission (art)|commissioned]] public art?
::*'''ALT 3.1''' ... that '''''[[Mermaid (Roy Lichtenstein)|Mermaid]]''''' in [[Miami Beach]] was the first ever [[Commission (art)|commissioned]] public art in [[Roy Lichtenstein]]'s professional career?
:*'''ALT 4''' ... that rather than the five colors he generally uses, [[Roy Lichtenstein]] used eighteen colors in '''''[[Mural with Blue Brushstroke]]'''''?
:--[[Special:Contributions/69.158.118.187|69.158.118.187]] ([[User talk:69.158.118.187|talk]]) 03:38, 3 June 2012 (UTC)
**I had paired them up mainly because I had nominated about 3 dozen Roy Lichtenstein articles paired up into about 2 dozen hooks within a week and common procedure when you are nominating dozens of similar articles is to pair them up. You might look at two of them that have been paired up and say these two don't really have to go together, but when you think about putting 3 dozen similar hooks onto the main page it is best for the group of them if you pair a lot of them up. In this case we are pairing up his two most prominent commissioned works (which obviously go together naturally). Of course, if you prefer when I do 3 dozen similar hooks I could make it a policy to nominate them all individually.--[[User:TonyTheTiger|TonyTheTiger]] ([[User talk:TonyTheTiger|T]]/[[Special:Contributions/TonyTheTiger|C]]/[[User:TonyTheTiger/Antonio Vernon|BIO]]/[[WP:CHICAGO]]/[[WP:FOUR]]) 03:50, 3 June 2012 (UTC)
***Given the need for balance in DYK hook sets, the DYK regulars appreciate your efforts to combine two articles into a dual hook. The problem is that, although there are interesting aspects in both articles, the combined hook about public-art commissions is duller than dishwater. A small army of reviewers has been trying to come up with a more interesting hook, but the fact is that the two artworks seem to have little in common. --[[User:Orlady|Orlady]] ([[User talk:Orlady|talk]]) 05:04, 3 June 2012 (UTC)
****Actually, those are two pretty damn dull articles, which makes hook finding difficult. I am not sure separating them makes the hooks that much better.--[[User:TonyTheTiger|TonyTheTiger]] ([[User talk:TonyTheTiger|T]]/[[Special:Contributions/TonyTheTiger|C]]/[[User:TonyTheTiger/Antonio Vernon|BIO]]/[[WP:CHICAGO]]/[[WP:FOUR]]) 05:37, 3 June 2012 (UTC)
*****I don't know about that. The anon's suggested hook for "Blue Brushstroke" is a whole lot more interesting than the fact that it was one of Lichtenstein's several commissioned pieces of public art. As for "Mermaid", I thought there was a lot of interesting content in the various webpages I turned up, mostly about the various problems encountered over the years in maintaining the sculpture. --[[User:Orlady|Orlady]] ([[User talk:Orlady|talk]]) 15:45, 3 June 2012 (UTC)
***It's great to have about 3 dozens of Roy Lichtenstein related nominations, but it's best to spread them out rather than bunching them together for no reason. If you want to make policy, then decide on whether to bunch them up base on the availability of a good hook. --[[Special:Contributions/69.158.118.187|69.158.118.187]] ([[User talk:69.158.118.187|talk]]) 05:20, 3 June 2012 (UTC)

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Template:Did you know nominations/Mural with Blue Brushstroke & Mermaid

2012-06-03T05:20:26Z

69.158.118.187:

{{DYKsubpage
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====Mural with Blue Brushstroke, Mermaid (Roy Lichtenstein)====
{{DYK nompage links|nompage=Mural with Blue Brushstroke & Mermaid|Mural with Blue Brushstroke|Mermaid (Roy Lichtenstein)}}

{{*mp}}... that [[Roy Lichtenstein]] was [[Commission (art)|commissioned]] to create '''''[[Mural with Blue Brushstroke]]''''', but his first commission for [[public art]] was '''''[[Mermaid (Roy Lichtenstein)|Mermaid]]'''''?

:*''Reviewed'': [[Template:Did you know nominations/Holothuria spinifera]]
Created/expanded by [[User:TonyTheTiger|TonyTheTiger]] ([[User talk:TonyTheTiger|talk]]). Self nom at 13:05, 15 May 2012 (UTC)


:*[[File:Symbol question.svg|16px]]Both the 'Mural' and 'Mermaid' articles are a little too short with 1481 and 1491 characters, removing all the quotes. [[User:Mikenorton|Mikenorton]] ([[User talk:Mikenorton|talk]]) 22:12, 25 May 2012 (UTC)
::*Is there a new rule about removing all the quotes? Quotes are prose.--[[User:TonyTheTiger|TonyTheTiger]] ([[User talk:TonyTheTiger|T]]/[[Special:Contributions/TonyTheTiger|C]]/[[User:TonyTheTiger/Antonio Vernon|BIO]]/[[WP:CHICAGO]]/[[WP:FOUR]]) 23:15, 25 May 2012 (UTC)
:::*P.S. pages reformatted and expanded.--[[User:TonyTheTiger|TonyTheTiger]] ([[User talk:TonyTheTiger|T]]/[[Special:Contributions/TonyTheTiger|C]]/[[User:TonyTheTiger/Antonio Vernon|BIO]]/[[WP:CHICAGO]]/[[WP:FOUR]]) 23:25, 25 May 2012 (UTC)

:*OK, re-reading the rules I see that it only mentions 'block quotes', so sorry - not that a small increase will have harmed these articles and thanks for that. The articles are both new enough and long enough with enough citations. AGF for Plagiarism/copyvio. I don't personally find the hook that interesting - perhaps something referring to them being amongst his few major commissioned pieces of public art (based on [http://www.moma.org/collection/artist.php?artist_id=3542 this])? [[User:Mikenorton|Mikenorton]] ([[User talk:Mikenorton|talk]]) 21:08, 27 May 2012 (UTC)
::*I am not comfortable with the change you are suggesting because I don't believe the source you are pointing me to is complete. Those are selected commissions.--[[User:TonyTheTiger|TonyTheTiger]] ([[User talk:TonyTheTiger|T]]/[[Special:Contributions/TonyTheTiger|C]]/[[User:TonyTheTiger/Antonio Vernon|BIO]]/[[WP:CHICAGO]]/[[WP:FOUR]]) 21:18, 27 May 2012 (UTC)
:::*OK, fair enough, how about (based on the same source)

:*'''ALT1''' ... that '''''[[Mural with Blue Brushstroke]]''''' and '''''[[Mermaid (Roy Lichtenstein)|Mermaid]]''''' were amongst [[Roy Lichtenstein]]'s major [[Commission (art)|commissioned]] pieces of [[public art]]? [[User:Mikenorton|Mikenorton]] ([[User talk:Mikenorton|talk]]) 21:10, 28 May 2012 (UTC)
::*That is O.K., but it seems less interesting than the original.--[[User:TonyTheTiger|TonyTheTiger]] ([[User talk:TonyTheTiger|T]]/[[Special:Contributions/TonyTheTiger|C]]/[[User:TonyTheTiger/Antonio Vernon|BIO]]/[[WP:CHICAGO]]/[[WP:FOUR]]) 23:57, 28 May 2012 (UTC)
*{{DYK?again}} What is going on with this nom?--[[User:TonyTheTiger|TonyTheTiger]] ([[User talk:TonyTheTiger|T]]/[[Special:Contributions/TonyTheTiger|C]]/[[User:TonyTheTiger/Antonio Vernon|BIO]]/[[WP:CHICAGO]]/[[WP:FOUR]]) 04:10, 2 June 2012 (UTC)
:*'''ALT 2''' ... that [[Roy Lichtenstein]]'s first [[Commission (art)|commissioned]] public art ''''' [[Mermaid (Roy Lichtenstein)|Mermaid]]''''' was regarded as "dazzlingly silly and provocative" while his later effort '''''[[Mural with Blue Brushstroke]]''''' was “a hedonistic view of earthly insignificance" ? [[User:Froggerlaura|Froggerlaura]] [[User talk:Froggerlaura|ribbit]] 21:26, 2 June 2012 (UTC)

:* [[File:Symbol question.svg|16px]] I find myself singularly underwhelmed by the article about Mermaid. From the article, I couldn't figure out where it is (the location is a redlink). A little web research indicates that it's not in Miami proper (as the article states), but in Miami Beach, at the Jackie Gleason Center at the [[Miami Beach Convention Center]]. (See [http://www.miaminewtimes.com/content/printVersion/235545/ this article] for more information.) There have been problems with maintenance of the artwork, but it was restored and rededicated in 2001 (according to [http://www.bluffton.edu/~sullivanm/florida/miami/lichtenstein/mermaid.html this webpage]) and again in 2010 (according to [http://www.rosalowinger.com/2010/12/lichtenstein-mermaid-completed.html this page]). The Jackie Gleason Center is being torn down (or perhaps has already been torn down), and I haven't figured out what the current status of the sculpture is. I don't believe that an article that is so unclueful about its topic as this one is deserves to be featured on the main page. --[[User:Orlady|Orlady]] ([[User talk:Orlady|talk]]) 22:17, 2 June 2012 (UTC)

:*Regarding hooks, IMO the best way to handle these is to look for separate hooks for the two articles. There is no particularly good reason to connect these two articles, as only thing these artworks appear to have in common is that they were commissioned as public art. However, [[Mural with Blue Brushstroke]] incorporates elements of the artist's other works, including [[Artist's Studio—Look Mickey]], which in turn incorporates another earlier work. IMO, Blush Brushstroke should be combined with the May 9th nomination for [[Artist's Studio—Look Mickey]] and [[Look Mickey]], to make a single 3-article hook. See [[Template:Did you know nominations/Artist's Studio—Look Mickey, Look Mickey]]. --[[User:Orlady|Orlady]] ([[User talk:Orlady|talk]]) 22:28, 2 June 2012 (UTC)
::*I believe that you are mistaken regarding the sampling of a sampling of work that you describe.--[[User:TonyTheTiger|TonyTheTiger]] ([[User talk:TonyTheTiger|T]]/[[Special:Contributions/TonyTheTiger|C]]/[[User:TonyTheTiger/Antonio Vernon|BIO]]/[[WP:CHICAGO]]/[[WP:FOUR]]) 01:14, 3 June 2012 (UTC)
: As of February 2012, the theater is still standing [http://www.sunpostweekly.com/2012/02/23/news-miami-beach-looks-to-reinvent-the-convention-center-district/] so I would assume the sculpture is still there. [[User:Froggerlaura|Froggerlaura]] [[User talk:Froggerlaura|ribbit]] 23:37, 2 June 2012 (UTC)

* I see no compelling reasons to pair up these two articles in particular for a double DYK hook. Please split them up.
:*'''ALT 3''' ... that '''''[[Mermaid (Roy Lichtenstein)|Mermaid]]''''' in [[Miami Beach]] was [[Roy Lichtenstein]]'s first [[Commission (art)|commissioned]] public art?
:*'''ALT 4''' ... that rather than the five colors he generally uses, [[Roy Lichtenstein]] used eighteen colors in '''''[[Mural with Blue Brushstroke]]'''''?
:--[[Special:Contributions/69.158.118.187|69.158.118.187]] ([[User talk:69.158.118.187|talk]]) 03:38, 3 June 2012 (UTC)
**I had paired them up mainly because I had nominated about 3 dozen Roy Lichtenstein articles paired up into about 2 dozen hooks within a week and common procedure when you are nominating dozens of similar articles is to pair them up. You might look at two of them that have been paired up and say these two don't really have to go together, but when you think about putting 3 dozen similar hooks onto the main page it is best for the group of them if you pair a lot of them up. In this case we are pairing up his two most prominent commissioned works (which obviously go together naturally). Of course, if you prefer when I do 3 dozen similar hooks I could make it a policy to nominate them all individually.--[[User:TonyTheTiger|TonyTheTiger]] ([[User talk:TonyTheTiger|T]]/[[Special:Contributions/TonyTheTiger|C]]/[[User:TonyTheTiger/Antonio Vernon|BIO]]/[[WP:CHICAGO]]/[[WP:FOUR]]) 03:50, 3 June 2012 (UTC)
***Given the need for balance in DYK hook sets, the DYK regulars appreciate your efforts to combine two articles into a dual hook. The problem is that, although there are interesting aspects in both articles, the combined hook about public-art commissions is duller than dishwater. A small army of reviewers has been trying to come up with a more interesting hook, but the fact is that the two artworks seem to have little in common. --[[User:Orlady|Orlady]] ([[User talk:Orlady|talk]]) 05:04, 3 June 2012 (UTC)
***It's great to have about 3 dozens of Roy Lichtenstein related nominations, but it's best to spread them out rather than bunching them together for no reason. If you want to make policy, then decide on whether to bunch them up base on the availability of a good hook. --[[Special:Contributions/69.158.118.187|69.158.118.187]] ([[User talk:69.158.118.187|talk]]) 05:20, 3 June 2012 (UTC)

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Template:Did you know nominations/Mural with Blue Brushstroke & Mermaid

2012-06-03T03:41:50Z

69.158.118.187:

{{DYKsubpage
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====Mural with Blue Brushstroke, Mermaid (Roy Lichtenstein)====
{{DYK nompage links|nompage=Mural with Blue Brushstroke & Mermaid|Mural with Blue Brushstroke|Mermaid (Roy Lichtenstein)}}

{{*mp}}... that [[Roy Lichtenstein]] was [[Commission (art)|commissioned]] to create '''''[[Mural with Blue Brushstroke]]''''', but his first commission for [[public art]] was '''''[[Mermaid (Roy Lichtenstein)|Mermaid]]'''''?

:*''Reviewed'': [[Template:Did you know nominations/Holothuria spinifera]]
Created/expanded by [[User:TonyTheTiger|TonyTheTiger]] ([[User talk:TonyTheTiger|talk]]). Self nom at 13:05, 15 May 2012 (UTC)


:*[[File:Symbol question.svg|16px]]Both the 'Mural' and 'Mermaid' articles are a little too short with 1481 and 1491 characters, removing all the quotes. [[User:Mikenorton|Mikenorton]] ([[User talk:Mikenorton|talk]]) 22:12, 25 May 2012 (UTC)
::*Is there a new rule about removing all the quotes? Quotes are prose.--[[User:TonyTheTiger|TonyTheTiger]] ([[User talk:TonyTheTiger|T]]/[[Special:Contributions/TonyTheTiger|C]]/[[User:TonyTheTiger/Antonio Vernon|BIO]]/[[WP:CHICAGO]]/[[WP:FOUR]]) 23:15, 25 May 2012 (UTC)
:::*P.S. pages reformatted and expanded.--[[User:TonyTheTiger|TonyTheTiger]] ([[User talk:TonyTheTiger|T]]/[[Special:Contributions/TonyTheTiger|C]]/[[User:TonyTheTiger/Antonio Vernon|BIO]]/[[WP:CHICAGO]]/[[WP:FOUR]]) 23:25, 25 May 2012 (UTC)

:*OK, re-reading the rules I see that it only mentions 'block quotes', so sorry - not that a small increase will have harmed these articles and thanks for that. The articles are both new enough and long enough with enough citations. AGF for Plagiarism/copyvio. I don't personally find the hook that interesting - perhaps something referring to them being amongst his few major commissioned pieces of public art (based on [http://www.moma.org/collection/artist.php?artist_id=3542 this])? [[User:Mikenorton|Mikenorton]] ([[User talk:Mikenorton|talk]]) 21:08, 27 May 2012 (UTC)
::*I am not comfortable with the change you are suggesting because I don't believe the source you are pointing me to is complete. Those are selected commissions.--[[User:TonyTheTiger|TonyTheTiger]] ([[User talk:TonyTheTiger|T]]/[[Special:Contributions/TonyTheTiger|C]]/[[User:TonyTheTiger/Antonio Vernon|BIO]]/[[WP:CHICAGO]]/[[WP:FOUR]]) 21:18, 27 May 2012 (UTC)
:::*OK, fair enough, how about (based on the same source)

:*'''ALT1''' ... that '''''[[Mural with Blue Brushstroke]]''''' and '''''[[Mermaid (Roy Lichtenstein)|Mermaid]]''''' were amongst [[Roy Lichtenstein]]'s major [[Commission (art)|commissioned]] pieces of [[public art]]? [[User:Mikenorton|Mikenorton]] ([[User talk:Mikenorton|talk]]) 21:10, 28 May 2012 (UTC)
::*That is O.K., but it seems less interesting than the original.--[[User:TonyTheTiger|TonyTheTiger]] ([[User talk:TonyTheTiger|T]]/[[Special:Contributions/TonyTheTiger|C]]/[[User:TonyTheTiger/Antonio Vernon|BIO]]/[[WP:CHICAGO]]/[[WP:FOUR]]) 23:57, 28 May 2012 (UTC)
*{{DYK?again}} What is going on with this nom?--[[User:TonyTheTiger|TonyTheTiger]] ([[User talk:TonyTheTiger|T]]/[[Special:Contributions/TonyTheTiger|C]]/[[User:TonyTheTiger/Antonio Vernon|BIO]]/[[WP:CHICAGO]]/[[WP:FOUR]]) 04:10, 2 June 2012 (UTC)
:*'''ALT 2''' ... that [[Roy Lichtenstein]]'s first [[Commission (art)|commissioned]] public art ''''' [[Mermaid (Roy Lichtenstein)|Mermaid]]''''' was regarded as "dazzlingly silly and provocative" while his later effort '''''[[Mural with Blue Brushstroke]]''''' was “a hedonistic view of earthly insignificance" ? [[User:Froggerlaura|Froggerlaura]] [[User talk:Froggerlaura|ribbit]] 21:26, 2 June 2012 (UTC)

:* [[File:Symbol question.svg|16px]] I find myself singularly underwhelmed by the article about Mermaid. From the article, I couldn't figure out where it is (the location is a redlink). A little web research indicates that it's not in Miami proper (as the article states), but in Miami Beach, at the Jackie Gleason Center at the [[Miami Beach Convention Center]]. (See [http://www.miaminewtimes.com/content/printVersion/235545/ this article] for more information.) There have been problems with maintenance of the artwork, but it was restored and rededicated in 2001 (according to [http://www.bluffton.edu/~sullivanm/florida/miami/lichtenstein/mermaid.html this webpage]) and again in 2010 (according to [http://www.rosalowinger.com/2010/12/lichtenstein-mermaid-completed.html this page]). The Jackie Gleason Center is being torn down (or perhaps has already been torn down), and I haven't figured out what the current status of the sculpture is. I don't believe that an article that is so unclueful about its topic as this one is deserves to be featured on the main page. --[[User:Orlady|Orlady]] ([[User talk:Orlady|talk]]) 22:17, 2 June 2012 (UTC)

:*Regarding hooks, IMO the best way to handle these is to look for separate hooks for the two articles. There is no particularly good reason to connect these two articles, as only thing these artworks appear to have in common is that they were commissioned as public art. However, [[Mural with Blue Brushstroke]] incorporates elements of the artist's other works, including [[Artist's Studio—Look Mickey]], which in turn incorporates another earlier work. IMO, Blush Brushstroke should be combined with the May 9th nomination for [[Artist's Studio—Look Mickey]] and [[Look Mickey]], to make a single 3-article hook. See [[Template:Did you know nominations/Artist's Studio—Look Mickey, Look Mickey]]. --[[User:Orlady|Orlady]] ([[User talk:Orlady|talk]]) 22:28, 2 June 2012 (UTC)
::*I believe that you are mistaken regarding the sampling of a sampling of work that you describe.--[[User:TonyTheTiger|TonyTheTiger]] ([[User talk:TonyTheTiger|T]]/[[Special:Contributions/TonyTheTiger|C]]/[[User:TonyTheTiger/Antonio Vernon|BIO]]/[[WP:CHICAGO]]/[[WP:FOUR]]) 01:14, 3 June 2012 (UTC)
: As of February 2012, the theater is still standing [http://www.sunpostweekly.com/2012/02/23/news-miami-beach-looks-to-reinvent-the-convention-center-district/] so I would assume the sculpture is still there. [[User:Froggerlaura|Froggerlaura]] [[User talk:Froggerlaura|ribbit]] 23:37, 2 June 2012 (UTC)

* I see no compelling reasons to pair up these two articles in particular for a double DYK hook. Please split them up.
:*'''ALT 3''' ... that '''''[[Mermaid (Roy Lichtenstein)|Mermaid]]''''' in [[Miami Beach]] was [[Roy Lichtenstein]]'s first [[Commission (art)|commissioned]] public art?
:*'''ALT 4''' ... that rather than the five colors he generally uses, [[Roy Lichtenstein]] used eighteen colors in '''''[[Mural with Blue Brushstroke]]'''''?
:--[[Special:Contributions/69.158.118.187|69.158.118.187]] ([[User talk:69.158.118.187|talk]]) 03:38, 3 June 2012 (UTC)
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Template:Did you know nominations/Mural with Blue Brushstroke & Mermaid

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====Mural with Blue Brushstroke, Mermaid (Roy Lichtenstein)====
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{{*mp}}... that [[Roy Lichtenstein]] was [[Commission (art)|commissioned]] to create '''''[[Mural with Blue Brushstroke]]''''', but his first commission for [[public art]] was '''''[[Mermaid (Roy Lichtenstein)|Mermaid]]'''''?

:*''Reviewed'': [[Template:Did you know nominations/Holothuria spinifera]]
Created/expanded by [[User:TonyTheTiger|TonyTheTiger]] ([[User talk:TonyTheTiger|talk]]). Self nom at 13:05, 15 May 2012 (UTC)


:*[[File:Symbol question.svg|16px]]Both the 'Mural' and 'Mermaid' articles are a little too short with 1481 and 1491 characters, removing all the quotes. [[User:Mikenorton|Mikenorton]] ([[User talk:Mikenorton|talk]]) 22:12, 25 May 2012 (UTC)
::*Is there a new rule about removing all the quotes? Quotes are prose.--[[User:TonyTheTiger|TonyTheTiger]] ([[User talk:TonyTheTiger|T]]/[[Special:Contributions/TonyTheTiger|C]]/[[User:TonyTheTiger/Antonio Vernon|BIO]]/[[WP:CHICAGO]]/[[WP:FOUR]]) 23:15, 25 May 2012 (UTC)
:::*P.S. pages reformatted and expanded.--[[User:TonyTheTiger|TonyTheTiger]] ([[User talk:TonyTheTiger|T]]/[[Special:Contributions/TonyTheTiger|C]]/[[User:TonyTheTiger/Antonio Vernon|BIO]]/[[WP:CHICAGO]]/[[WP:FOUR]]) 23:25, 25 May 2012 (UTC)

:*OK, re-reading the rules I see that it only mentions 'block quotes', so sorry - not that a small increase will have harmed these articles and thanks for that. The articles are both new enough and long enough with enough citations. AGF for Plagiarism/copyvio. I don't personally find the hook that interesting - perhaps something referring to them being amongst his few major commissioned pieces of public art (based on [http://www.moma.org/collection/artist.php?artist_id=3542 this])? [[User:Mikenorton|Mikenorton]] ([[User talk:Mikenorton|talk]]) 21:08, 27 May 2012 (UTC)
::*I am not comfortable with the change you are suggesting because I don't believe the source you are pointing me to is complete. Those are selected commissions.--[[User:TonyTheTiger|TonyTheTiger]] ([[User talk:TonyTheTiger|T]]/[[Special:Contributions/TonyTheTiger|C]]/[[User:TonyTheTiger/Antonio Vernon|BIO]]/[[WP:CHICAGO]]/[[WP:FOUR]]) 21:18, 27 May 2012 (UTC)
:::*OK, fair enough, how about (based on the same source)

:*'''ALT1''' ... that '''''[[Mural with Blue Brushstroke]]''''' and '''''[[Mermaid (Roy Lichtenstein)|Mermaid]]''''' were amongst [[Roy Lichtenstein]]'s major [[Commission (art)|commissioned]] pieces of [[public art]]? [[User:Mikenorton|Mikenorton]] ([[User talk:Mikenorton|talk]]) 21:10, 28 May 2012 (UTC)
::*That is O.K., but it seems less interesting than the original.--[[User:TonyTheTiger|TonyTheTiger]] ([[User talk:TonyTheTiger|T]]/[[Special:Contributions/TonyTheTiger|C]]/[[User:TonyTheTiger/Antonio Vernon|BIO]]/[[WP:CHICAGO]]/[[WP:FOUR]]) 23:57, 28 May 2012 (UTC)
*{{DYK?again}} What is going on with this nom?--[[User:TonyTheTiger|TonyTheTiger]] ([[User talk:TonyTheTiger|T]]/[[Special:Contributions/TonyTheTiger|C]]/[[User:TonyTheTiger/Antonio Vernon|BIO]]/[[WP:CHICAGO]]/[[WP:FOUR]]) 04:10, 2 June 2012 (UTC)
:*'''ALT 2''' ... that [[Roy Lichtenstein]]'s first [[Commission (art)|commissioned]] public art ''''' [[Mermaid (Roy Lichtenstein)|Mermaid]]''''' was regarded as "dazzlingly silly and provocative" while his later effort '''''[[Mural with Blue Brushstroke]]''''' was “a hedonistic view of earthly insignificance" ? [[User:Froggerlaura|Froggerlaura]] [[User talk:Froggerlaura|ribbit]] 21:26, 2 June 2012 (UTC)

:* [[File:Symbol question.svg|16px]] I find myself singularly underwhelmed by the article about Mermaid. From the article, I couldn't figure out where it is (the location is a redlink). A little web research indicates that it's not in Miami proper (as the article states), but in Miami Beach, at the Jackie Gleason Center at the [[Miami Beach Convention Center]]. (See [http://www.miaminewtimes.com/content/printVersion/235545/ this article] for more information.) There have been problems with maintenance of the artwork, but it was restored and rededicated in 2001 (according to [http://www.bluffton.edu/~sullivanm/florida/miami/lichtenstein/mermaid.html this webpage]) and again in 2010 (according to [http://www.rosalowinger.com/2010/12/lichtenstein-mermaid-completed.html this page]). The Jackie Gleason Center is being torn down (or perhaps has already been torn down), and I haven't figured out what the current status of the sculpture is. I don't believe that an article that is so unclueful about its topic as this one is deserves to be featured on the main page. --[[User:Orlady|Orlady]] ([[User talk:Orlady|talk]]) 22:17, 2 June 2012 (UTC)

:*Regarding hooks, IMO the best way to handle these is to look for separate hooks for the two articles. There is no particularly good reason to connect these two articles, as only thing these artworks appear to have in common is that they were commissioned as public art. However, [[Mural with Blue Brushstroke]] incorporates elements of the artist's other works, including [[Artist's Studio—Look Mickey]], which in turn incorporates another earlier work. IMO, Blush Brushstroke should be combined with the May 9th nomination for [[Artist's Studio—Look Mickey]] and [[Look Mickey]], to make a single 3-article hook. See [[Template:Did you know nominations/Artist's Studio—Look Mickey, Look Mickey]]. --[[User:Orlady|Orlady]] ([[User talk:Orlady|talk]]) 22:28, 2 June 2012 (UTC)
::*I believe that you are mistaken regarding the sampling of a sampling of work that you describe.--[[User:TonyTheTiger|TonyTheTiger]] ([[User talk:TonyTheTiger|T]]/[[Special:Contributions/TonyTheTiger|C]]/[[User:TonyTheTiger/Antonio Vernon|BIO]]/[[WP:CHICAGO]]/[[WP:FOUR]]) 01:14, 3 June 2012 (UTC)
: As of February 2012, the theater is still standing [http://www.sunpostweekly.com/2012/02/23/news-miami-beach-looks-to-reinvent-the-convention-center-district/] so I would assume the sculpture is still there. [[User:Froggerlaura|Froggerlaura]] [[User talk:Froggerlaura|ribbit]] 23:37, 2 June 2012 (UTC)

* I see no strong reasons to pair up these two articles in particular for a double hook. Please split them up.
:*'''ALT 3''' ... that '''''[[Mermaid (Roy Lichtenstein)|Mermaid]]''''' in [[Miami Beach]] was [[Roy Lichtenstein]]'s first [[Commission (art)|commissioned]] public art?
:*'''ALT 4''' ... that rather than the five colors he generally uses, [[Roy Lichtenstein]] used eighteen colors in '''''[[Mural with Blue Brushstroke]]'''''?
:--[[Special:Contributions/69.158.118.187|69.158.118.187]] ([[User talk:69.158.118.187|talk]]) 03:38, 3 June 2012 (UTC)
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