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Revision as of 00:02, 22 August 2012
2012 Roanoke Obama campaign speech
- ... that President Obama (pictured) spoke at a campaign event in Roanoke, Virginia?
- Comment: New article from user sandbox
Created/expanded by RightCowLeftCoast (talk). Self nom at 03:56, 14 August 2012 (UTC)
Without diving into the article I'll start with the fact that there is nothing hooky about this. In addition, I don't feel it is appropriate to put the President in DYK at this point in the year. Let me bring this up at Wikipedia talk:Did you know. Ryan Vesey 04:21, 14 August 2012 (UTC)
- Point of order: I don't think RightCowLeftCoast built this, did he? – Sir Lionel, EG(talk) 04:35, 14 August 2012 (UTC)
- Comment, perhaps I should have named this article "You didn't build that".--RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 04:47, 14 August 2012 (UTC)
- I have now reviewed United States fiscal cliff's DYK.--RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 05:17, 14 August 2012 (UTC)
- Comment "President Obama" is US-centric. Just "Barack Obama" is enough, everybody in the world know who is him without needed to detail it. Cambalachero (talk) 21:31, 14 August 2012 (UTC)
- It is common practice to refer to the president by his title. It is similar to talking about Queen Elizabeth, you don't say Elizabeth Mary. Ryan Vesey 21:54, 14 August 2012 (UTC)
This article is nominated as AFD. Let's wait for a week absolutely. --George Ho (talk) 08:41, 16 August 2012 (UTC)
Besides AFD, this article becomes a subject to rapid editing changes within a few hours or less (or more?). Therefore, I don't know when editing will calm down. --George Ho (talk) 05:05, 17 August 2012 (UTC)
- This reduction of stability appears to be due to different editors having differing opinions on what is considered NEU in regards to the subject.--RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 05:58, 18 August 2012 (UTC)
I have tagged the "Jon Stewart" statement with credibility and neutrality issues, addressed by one editor. Also, this article also has neutrality issues, which I tagged, according to talk pages. This article is becoming not without major flaws, to be honest. --George Ho (talk) 04:37, 20 August 2012 (UTC)
The hook's phrasing itself isn't neutral in my opinion, because this article really exists because of a political controvery, not because Obama gave a speech in Roanoke. There's nothing wrong with the article existing, but the hook should not pull a bait and switch on the reader. Maybe that's an overly subtle objection, I dunno. Just doesn't seem encyclopedic. Wookian (talk) 16:13, 20 August 2012 (UTC)
- I would be open to changing the hook, but how would we do that and keep it neutral?--RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 17:10, 20 August 2012 (UTC)
- ... First, either fix the article or end the AFD, and THEN fix the hook. First off, try cleaning up the article issues. This nomination cannot be passed until issues are resolved. --George Ho (talk) 17:29, 20 August 2012 (UTC)
- The issues are occurring because different editors are holding different opinions on how to present the article in a neutral manor. With other editor(s) suggesting two sources should be given more weight in the lead then it is presently.
- There is an ongoing discussion regarding these differences of opinion going on in the talk page.--RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 17:51, 20 August 2012 (UTC)
- ... First, either fix the article or end the AFD, and THEN fix the hook. First off, try cleaning up the article issues. This nomination cannot be passed until issues are resolved. --George Ho (talk) 17:29, 20 August 2012 (UTC)
