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*... that '''[[Benjamin Hanks]]''' is considered to be the first to make [[Cannon|bronze cannons]] and [[Bell (instrument)|church bells]] in America?
 
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<small>Created by [[User:Doug Coldwell|Doug Coldwell]] ([[User talk:Doug Coldwell|talk]]), [[User:Djembayz|Djembayz]] ([[User talk:Djembayz|talk]]).&nbsp;Nominated by [[User:Doug Coldwell|Doug Coldwell]] ([[User talk:Doug Coldwell|talk]]) at 12:09, 12 July 2013 (UTC)</small>.
 
 
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<small>Created by [[User:Doug Coldwell|Doug Coldwell]] ([[User talk:Doug Coldwell|talk]]).&nbsp;Self nominated at 12:09, 12 July 2013 (UTC)</small>.
 
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:*  [[File:Symbol question.svg|16px]]  Article is long enough and new enough.  The hook is short enough and interesting.  QPQ complete.  However, I'm having trouble verifying the hook fact.  The Delaney site says "Benjamin is ''believed'' to be the first to cast ''large'' bells and bronze cannons in the country."  (Note also the claim is only as to large bells.  Also, is the Delaney site reliable?)  The Henry Ford site says "It is believed that he cast the first bells and bronze cannons made in America." The only source asserting that he was first as a factual matter (as opposed to a belief) is a local history pamphlet on Litchfield ("Benjamin cast the first Church Bells and Bronze Cannons made in America.").  There appears to some uncertainty as to whether he was the first and inconsistency as to what exactly he did first (large bells, bells, or church bells).  Perhaps the hook could be modified as follows: '''ALT1:''' ... that '''[[Benjamin Hanks]]''' is believed to be the first to make bronze [[cannon]]s in the United States?  [[User:Cbl62|Cbl62]] ([[User talk:Cbl62|talk]]) 14:46, 12 July 2013 (UTC)
 
:*  [[File:Symbol question.svg|16px]]  Article is long enough and new enough.  The hook is short enough and interesting.  QPQ complete.  However, I'm having trouble verifying the hook fact.  The Delaney site says "Benjamin is ''believed'' to be the first to cast ''large'' bells and bronze cannons in the country."  (Note also the claim is only as to large bells.  Also, is the Delaney site reliable?)  The Henry Ford site says "It is believed that he cast the first bells and bronze cannons made in America." The only source asserting that he was first as a factual matter (as opposed to a belief) is a local history pamphlet on Litchfield ("Benjamin cast the first Church Bells and Bronze Cannons made in America.").  There appears to some uncertainty as to whether he was the first and inconsistency as to what exactly he did first (large bells, bells, or church bells).  Perhaps the hook could be modified as follows: '''ALT1:''' ... that '''[[Benjamin Hanks]]''' is believed to be the first to make bronze [[cannon]]s in the United States?  [[User:Cbl62|Cbl62]] ([[User talk:Cbl62|talk]]) 14:46, 12 July 2013 (UTC)
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:::* Ref #8 - I gave the wording of the "The National Cyclopaedia of American biography" by James Terry White on page 397 ''Col. Benjamin Hanks, his older brother, cast the first brass cannons and the first church bells made in America.''  
 
:::* Ref #8 - I gave the wording of the "The National Cyclopaedia of American biography" by James Terry White on page 397 ''Col. Benjamin Hanks, his older brother, cast the first brass cannons and the first church bells made in America.''  
 
:::: Does that work for you?--[[User:Doug Coldwell|Doug Coldwell]] ([[User talk:Doug Coldwell|talk]]) 20:38, 12 July 2013 (UTC)
 
:::: Does that work for you?--[[User:Doug Coldwell|Doug Coldwell]] ([[User talk:Doug Coldwell|talk]]) 20:38, 12 July 2013 (UTC)
:[[File:Symbol confirmed.svg|16px]] Thanks for clarifying.  This now looks OK. [[User:Cbl62|Cbl62]] ([[User talk:Cbl62|talk]]) 15:49, 13 July 2013 (UTC)
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The following discussion is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Hawkeye7 (talk) 11:54, 17 July 2013 (UTC)

Benjamin Hanks

Created by Doug Coldwell (talk), Djembayz (talk). Nominated by Doug Coldwell (talk) at 12:09, 12 July 2013 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg Article is long enough and new enough. The hook is short enough and interesting. QPQ complete. However, I'm having trouble verifying the hook fact. The Delaney site says "Benjamin is believed to be the first to cast large bells and bronze cannons in the country." (Note also the claim is only as to large bells. Also, is the Delaney site reliable?) The Henry Ford site says "It is believed that he cast the first bells and bronze cannons made in America." The only source asserting that he was first as a factual matter (as opposed to a belief) is a local history pamphlet on Litchfield ("Benjamin cast the first Church Bells and Bronze Cannons made in America."). There appears to some uncertainty as to whether he was the first and inconsistency as to what exactly he did first (large bells, bells, or church bells). Perhaps the hook could be modified as follows: ALT1: ... that Benjamin Hanks is believed to be the first to make bronze cannons in the United States? Cbl62 (talk) 14:46, 12 July 2013 (UTC)
  • I'll attempt to answer your concerns. The term "bells" for that time period (eighteenth century) meant "large bells" and "church bells". The article and associated references is about his foundries making church bells as well as cannons.
  • In the references I obtained the books from the library and have given the wording of the references:
Does that work for you?--Doug Coldwell (talk) 20:38, 12 July 2013 (UTC)
Symbol confirmed.svg Thanks for clarifying. This now looks OK. Cbl62 (talk) 15:49, 13 July 2013 (UTC)