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The result was: '''promoted''' by [[User:Cwmhiraeth|Cwmhiraeth]] ([[User talk:Cwmhiraeth|talk]]) 05:41, 10 April 2018 (UTC)<br />
 
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* <s>... that [[Hans Werner Henze]] ''(pictured)'' composed his '''[[Double Concerto (Henze)|Double Concerto]]''' for the oboist [[Heinz Holliger]], his harpist wife [[Ursula Holliger|Ursula]], and 18 string soloists of [[Paul Sacher]]'s Collegium Musicum Zürich?</s>  <small>Source: [https://en.schott-music.com/shop/doppio-concerto-no37679.html]</small>
 
* <s>... that [[Hans Werner Henze]] ''(pictured)'' composed his '''[[Double Concerto (Henze)|Double Concerto]]''' for the oboist [[Heinz Holliger]], his harpist wife [[Ursula Holliger|Ursula]], and 18 string soloists of [[Paul Sacher]]'s Collegium Musicum Zürich?</s>  <small>Source: [https://en.schott-music.com/shop/doppio-concerto-no37679.html]</small>
 
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<small>Created by [[User:Ron Oliver|Ron Oliver]] ([[User talk:Ron Oliver|talk]]). Nominated by [[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) at 15:49, 13 March 2018 (UTC).</small>
 
<small>Created by [[User:Ron Oliver|Ron Oliver]] ([[User talk:Ron Oliver|talk]]). Nominated by [[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) at 15:49, 13 March 2018 (UTC).</small>
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:* [[File:Symbol question.svg|16px]] New, in time, long enough, sourced, no apparent copyvios, QPQ done. Changed the hook slightly (before it could be read either that Ursula Holliger was a harpist, or that she the harpist were separate people). {{u|Gerda Arendt}}, what source says that the piece was composed for those people specifically (i.e., with them in mind), rather than simply that those people were the ones to premiere it? --[[User:Usernameunique|Usernameunique]] ([[User talk:Usernameunique|talk]]) 16:11, 30 March 2018 (UTC)
 
:* [[File:Symbol question.svg|16px]] New, in time, long enough, sourced, no apparent copyvios, QPQ done. Changed the hook slightly (before it could be read either that Ursula Holliger was a harpist, or that she the harpist were separate people). {{u|Gerda Arendt}}, what source says that the piece was composed for those people specifically (i.e., with them in mind), rather than simply that those people were the ones to premiere it? --[[User:Usernameunique|Usernameunique]] ([[User talk:Usernameunique|talk]]) 16:11, 30 March 2018 (UTC)
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:::::::::::::::::::: Fine, thanks for not giving up! --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 20:48, 9 April 2018 (UTC)
 
:::::::::::::::::::: Fine, thanks for not giving up! --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 20:48, 9 April 2018 (UTC)
 
:::::::::::::::::::::*[[File:Symbol confirmed.svg|16px]] You're welcome. Restoring tick for ALT4a per Usernameunique's review. [[User:Yoninah|Yoninah]] ([[User talk:Yoninah|talk]]) 21:07, 9 April 2018 (UTC)
 
:::::::::::::::::::::*[[File:Symbol confirmed.svg|16px]] You're welcome. Restoring tick for ALT4a per Usernameunique's review. [[User:Yoninah|Yoninah]] ([[User talk:Yoninah|talk]]) 21:07, 9 April 2018 (UTC)
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Latest revision as of 05:42, 10 April 2018

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Cwmhiraeth (talk) 05:41, 10 April 2018 (UTC)

Double Concerto (Henze)

Hans Werner Henze in 1960
Hans Werner Henze in 1960

Created by Ron Oliver (talk). Nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk) at 15:49, 13 March 2018 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg New, in time, long enough, sourced, no apparent copyvios, QPQ done. Changed the hook slightly (before it could be read either that Ursula Holliger was a harpist, or that she the harpist were separate people). Template:U, what source says that the piece was composed for those people specifically (i.e., with them in mind), rather than simply that those people were the ones to premiere it? --Usernameunique (talk) 16:11, 30 March 2018 (UTC)
I will look, but I'm only the nominator, and it may take some time. - I confess that "harpist wife" sounds funny for a German ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:04, 30 March 2018 (UTC)
Just added the reference. The original text reads: "The Double Concerto was written for Heinz Holliger and his harpist wife Ursula, and its most striking outward feature is its brilliantly effective use". They weren't the dedicatees, so I'd argue putting it like that makes sense. Oboe and harp seems like a weird choice for a double concerto. Coming to think of it, harpist wife sounds strange to me as well. Ron Oliver (talk) 21:39, 30 March 2018 (UTC)
Thanks Template:U & Template:U. Have to agree with you on "harpist wife", that was an unfortunate rephrasing on my part. Perhaps we can put the wife first, to "for the harpist Ursula Holliger, her oboist husband Heinz, and..."? --Usernameunique (talk) 21:59, 30 March 2018 (UTC)
How is oboist husband any better?
ALT1: ... that Hans Werner Henze (pictured) composed his Double Concerto for oboe and harp for Heinz Holliger, his wife Ursula, and 18 string soloists of Paul Sacher's Collegium Musicum Zürich? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:06, 30 March 2018 (UTC)
Symbol confirmed.svg Approving ALT1. Template:U, I prefer "oboist husband" to "harpist wife" because the latter carries the (possibly gendered) connotations of "harpy" and "harping". --Usernameunique (talk) 22:51, 30 March 2018 (UTC)
  • Symbol question.svg Hi, I came by to promote ALT1, but I don't see the connection in the article between the 18 string soloists and the Collegium Musicum Zürich. I see that the piece was commissioned for the Collegium, and that it's scored for 18 string soloists, but is there a source connecting the two as in the hook fact? Yoninah (talk) 01:20, 8 April 2018 (UTC)
I don't see how that can be not connected. - How else could we say that it's 18 individual string parts, which is unusual, - 5 is normal, 2 violins, viola, cello, bass. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:01, 8 April 2018 (UTC)
Why leave out Sacher who commissioned it - and who will be better known than the Holligers? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:44, 8 April 2018 (UTC)
Collegium Musicum is the orchestra. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:18, 8 April 2018 (UTC)
I guess I better give up ;) - I still believe the 18 string parts are more interesting than an orchestra with no article (yet), and don't like "pictured" between a possessive and the key thing. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:34, 8 April 2018 (UTC)
ps: [2] has Auftragswerk = commission --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:39, 8 April 2018 (UTC)
Nice, thank you, I'd say "with" instead of "by", - but feels too long. "orchestra" for "Collegium Musicum Zürich"? (His Basler Kammerorchester was better known, and most of the famous commissions were for them.) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:21, 9 April 2018 (UTC)
Fine, thanks for not giving up! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:48, 9 April 2018 (UTC)
  • Symbol confirmed.svg You're welcome. Restoring tick for ALT4a per Usernameunique's review. Yoninah (talk) 21:07, 9 April 2018 (UTC)