Template:Did you know nominations/Wonder Gardens

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The result was: promoted by Fram (talk) 14:13, 9 September 2016 (UTC)

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Wonder Gardens

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• ... that jazz musician Dan Fogel bought his first Hammond B3 organ at the age of 11 and made his debut at the Wonder Gardens two years later?

• ALT1:... that the Wonder Gardens jazz and R&B nightclub in Atlantic City, New Jersey provided early exposure for Dan Fogel, Harvey Mason, George Benson, and the Commodores?
• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Nicolae Cristea (priest)

Created by Yoninah (talk) and We hope (talk). Nominated by Yoninah (talk) at 15:10, 23 August 2016 (UTC).

• 16px No issues found with article, ready for human review.
  • ✓ This article is new and was created on 22:10, 22 August 2016 (UTC)
  • ✓ This article meets the DYK criteria at 4825 characters
  • ✓ All paragraphs in this article have at least one citation
  • ✓ This article has no outstanding maintenance tags
  • ✓ A copyright violation is unlikely according to automated metrics (8.3% confidence; confirm)
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  • ✓ The hook ALT0 is an appropriate length at 133 characters
  • ✓ The hook ALT1 is an appropriate length at 160 characters
  • ✓ Yoninah has more than 5 DYK credits. A QPQ review of Template:Did you know nominations/Nicolae Cristea (priest) was performed for this nomination.

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• Template:Ping - Human Review coming up, the bot took care of the minutia, but I will verify the Copyvio tool results in a moment.  MPJ-DK  22:39, 28 August 2016 (UTC)
• Reviewing the first hook I notice that the source lists "age 7" while the article lists "age 10" for when Fogel started hanging around the club? I know it is not in the hook but the discrepancy stood out to me since it's in the source for the hook.
• 16px ALT0 - So I read the source and I cannot totally reconcile it with the main hook. The source states "Countless hours of dedication organ at Wonder Gardens in Atlantic City where he was the house band with classmate drummer Harvey Mason (formally with Herbie Hancock – 'Maiden Voyage') now with 'FOURPLAY'. Two years later Fogel emerged, made his debut and splashed into the scene like a tidal wave" - which I assume is where the "at age 13" hook is sourced to? when I read "where he was the house band" I took it as he was part of the house band for two years before being actually featured? that says nothing about his age as far as I can see?
• 16px ALT0 - I see the Commodore claim cited, I don't see a direct citation for George Benson? The claim for Fogel and Mason is from a Fogel himself, since it's not really a contentious claim I think a primary source is okay in this case. But the inclusion of George Benson does neet a source.  MPJ-DK  22:49, 28 August 2016 (UTC)

• Template:Ping since there are a few versions of when Fogel started playing, I'm striking that hook. The cite for George Benson playing at the Wonder Gardens in his teens appears in the cite at the end of the second sentence describing him under Performers. I added an additional inline cite to the sentence in which the hook fact appears. The source for Fogel and Mason playing at the Wonder Gardens in their teens, while they were still students at Atlantic City High School, is properly cited in footnote 16 from an article in the Atlantic City Weekly. Yoninah (talk) 09:33, 29 August 2016 (UTC)

• 16px - Sourced now. So long enough, new enough, well written, sourced, factual hook, QPQ done, no copyvios - hits all the marks.  MPJ-DK  12:42, 29 August 2016 (UTC)