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AFD has been resulted as "keep". Other issues are yet to be resolved. --[[User:George Ho|George Ho]] ([[User talk:George Ho|talk]]) 00:04, 22 August 2012 (UTC)
 
AFD has been resulted as "keep". Other issues are yet to be resolved. --[[User:George Ho|George Ho]] ([[User talk:George Ho|talk]]) 00:04, 22 August 2012 (UTC)
 
:Please elaborate, are those issues pertaining to what is verified in the hook? Would those issues stop the DYK nomination from continuing?--[[User:RightCowLeftCoast|RightCowLeftCoast]] ([[User talk:RightCowLeftCoast|talk]]) 05:30, 22 August 2012 (UTC)
 
:Please elaborate, are those issues pertaining to what is verified in the hook? Would those issues stop the DYK nomination from continuing?--[[User:RightCowLeftCoast|RightCowLeftCoast]] ([[User talk:RightCowLeftCoast|talk]]) 05:30, 22 August 2012 (UTC)
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:: To be honest, per [[WP:DYK]], even article issues, especially unrelated to the hook, may affect the DYK nomination. Even when alternative hooks are attempted, if these issues cannot be resolved for weeks (or months if other people give this nomination more chances), this nomination may fail. (One of the last nominations lasted for several months and then got rejected due to unresolved issues.) In other words, attempting other hooks is pointless if this nomination may likely be rejected without unrelated article issues resolved. <p> To put it another way, the hook has nothing to do with the article issues. In fact, even an article with an interesting hook may have issues that would prevent it from becoming featured in the Main Page. For more, see [[WP:DYK]] and [[WP:DYKSG]]. --[[User:George Ho|George Ho]] ([[User talk:George Ho|talk]]) 05:48, 22 August 2012 (UTC)
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2012 Roanoke Obama campaign speech

Official portrait of President Obama

  • Comment: New article from user sandbox

Created/expanded by RightCowLeftCoast (talk). Self nom at 03:56, 14 August 2012 (UTC)

  • Symbol possible vote.svg Without diving into the article I'll start with the fact that there is nothing hooky about this. In addition, I don't feel it is appropriate to put the President in DYK at this point in the year. Let me bring this up at Wikipedia talk:Did you knowRyan Vesey 04:21, 14 August 2012 (UTC)
  • Point of order: I don't think RightCowLeftCoast built this, did he? – Sir Lionel, EG(talk) 04:35, 14 August 2012 (UTC)
  • Comment, perhaps I should have named this article "You didn't build that".--RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 04:47, 14 August 2012 (UTC)
  • It is common practice to refer to the president by his title. It is similar to talking about Queen Elizabeth, you don't say Elizabeth Mary. Ryan Vesey 21:54, 14 August 2012 (UTC)
  • Symbol possible vote.svg This article is nominated as AFD. Let's wait for a week absolutely. --George Ho (talk) 08:41, 16 August 2012 (UTC)
  • Symbol possible vote.svg Besides AFD, this article becomes a subject to rapid editing changes within a few hours or less (or more?). Therefore, I don't know when editing will calm down. --George Ho (talk) 05:05, 17 August 2012 (UTC)
This reduction of stability appears to be due to different editors having differing opinions on what is considered NEU in regards to the subject.--RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 05:58, 18 August 2012 (UTC)
  • Symbol possible vote.svg I have tagged the "Jon Stewart" statement with credibility and neutrality issues, addressed by one editor. Also, this article also has neutrality issues, which I tagged, according to talk pages. This article is becoming not without major flaws, to be honest. --George Ho (talk) 04:37, 20 August 2012 (UTC)
  • Symbol possible vote.svg The hook's phrasing itself isn't neutral in my opinion, because this article really exists because of a political controvery, not because Obama gave a speech in Roanoke. There's nothing wrong with the article existing, but the hook should not pull a bait and switch on the reader. Maybe that's an overly subtle objection, I dunno. Just doesn't seem encyclopedic. Wookian (talk) 16:13, 20 August 2012 (UTC)
I would be open to changing the hook, but how would we do that and keep it neutral?--RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 17:10, 20 August 2012 (UTC)
... First, either fix the article or end the AFD, and THEN fix the hook. First off, try cleaning up the article issues. This nomination cannot be passed until issues are resolved. --George Ho (talk) 17:29, 20 August 2012 (UTC)
The issues are occurring because different editors are holding different opinions on how to present the article in a neutral manor. With other editor(s) suggesting two sources should be given more weight in the lead then it is presently.
There is an ongoing discussion regarding these differences of opinion going on in the talk page.--RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 17:51, 20 August 2012 (UTC)

AFD has been resulted as "keep". Other issues are yet to be resolved. --George Ho (talk) 00:04, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

Please elaborate, are those issues pertaining to what is verified in the hook? Would those issues stop the DYK nomination from continuing?--RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 05:30, 22 August 2012 (UTC)
To be honest, per WP:DYK, even article issues, especially unrelated to the hook, may affect the DYK nomination. Even when alternative hooks are attempted, if these issues cannot be resolved for weeks (or months if other people give this nomination more chances), this nomination may fail. (One of the last nominations lasted for several months and then got rejected due to unresolved issues.) In other words, attempting other hooks is pointless if this nomination may likely be rejected without unrelated article issues resolved.

To put it another way, the hook has nothing to do with the article issues. In fact, even an article with an interesting hook may have issues that would prevent it from becoming featured in the Main Page. For more, see WP:DYK and WP:DYKSG. --George Ho (talk) 05:48, 22 August 2012 (UTC)