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* ... that '''[[Valdemārs Klētnieks]]''' was the national [[Scout Commissioner]] for [[Latvia]] before [[World War II]], but fled his country after the Scout president, [[Kārlis Goppers]], was executed after a [[show trial]]? <small>Source: "You are strongly encouraged to quote the source text supporting each hook" (and [link] the source, or cite it briefly without using citation templates)</small> | * ... that '''[[Valdemārs Klētnieks]]''' was the national [[Scout Commissioner]] for [[Latvia]] before [[World War II]], but fled his country after the Scout president, [[Kārlis Goppers]], was executed after a [[show trial]]? <small>Source: "You are strongly encouraged to quote the source text supporting each hook" (and [link] the source, or cite it briefly without using citation templates)</small> | ||
− | ** '''ALT1''':... that the [[Latvia]]n Boy Scout Handbook written in 1933 by '''[[Valdemārs Klētnieks]]''' was burned by the communists during the [[Soviet occupation of Latvia in 1940]]? <small>Source: "1940 gada komunisti pec Latvijas okupacijas jauiespiesto gromatu Latviesu skautisma pilngadiba iznicinaja" — [https://newspapers.lib.sfu.ca/lat-19545/page-5 "Ugunskurā Beidz Kvēlot Ogles", ''Latvija Amerika''] (in Latvian)</small> | + | ** '''ALT1''':... that the [[Latvia]]n Boy Scout Handbook written in 1933 by '''[[Valdemārs Klētnieks]]''' was destroyed <s>burned</s> by the communists during the [[Soviet occupation of Latvia in 1940]]? <small>Source: "1940 gada komunisti pec Latvijas okupacijas jauiespiesto gromatu Latviesu skautisma pilngadiba iznicinaja" — [https://newspapers.lib.sfu.ca/lat-19545/page-5 "Ugunskurā Beidz Kvēlot Ogles", ''Latvija Amerika''] (in Latvian)</small> |
:* ''Reviewed'': [[Template:Did you know nominations/Johnny Doughboy]] | :* ''Reviewed'': [[Template:Did you know nominations/Johnny Doughboy]] | ||
<small>Created by [[User:JGHowes|JGHowes]] ([[User talk:JGHowes|talk]]). Nominated by [[User:Evrik|Evrik]] ([[User talk:Evrik|talk]]) at 18:25, 26 August 2020 (UTC).</small> | <small>Created by [[User:JGHowes|JGHowes]] ([[User talk:JGHowes|talk]]). Nominated by [[User:Evrik|Evrik]] ([[User talk:Evrik|talk]]) at 18:25, 26 August 2020 (UTC).</small> | ||
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:* {{comment}} I've added '''Alt1''' which is reliably sourced by a newspaper clipping, albeit printed in Latvian. The other hook is problematic, because some sources indicate that Kletnieks remained in Latvia after the execution of Goppers until 1944. <i><b><small><span style="border:1px solid black;padding:1px;">[[User:JGHowes|<span style="color:white;background:#008000;"> JGHowes </span>]]</span></small><span style="color: blue;"> <sup>[[User talk:JGHowes|''talk'']]</sup></span></b></i> 01:35, 27 August 2020 (UTC) | :* {{comment}} I've added '''Alt1''' which is reliably sourced by a newspaper clipping, albeit printed in Latvian. The other hook is problematic, because some sources indicate that Kletnieks remained in Latvia after the execution of Goppers until 1944. <i><b><small><span style="border:1px solid black;padding:1px;">[[User:JGHowes|<span style="color:white;background:#008000;"> JGHowes </span>]]</span></small><span style="color: blue;"> <sup>[[User talk:JGHowes|''talk'']]</sup></span></b></i> 01:35, 27 August 2020 (UTC) | ||
::*I'd say ALT1 is also problematic, both because the source seemingly doesn't mention burning (it says 'destroy' from what I gather, notably the burning of literature has a specific historical connotation. In this case, regardless of how the books were destroyed and in what quantities, it would presumably not have been as a public ritual) and secondly because just saying 'the communists' is quite ambiguous. Who were the ones carrying out the action? Soviet military forces? NKVD? The Latvian Communist Party? --[[User:Soman|Soman]] ([[User talk:Soman|talk]]) 21:32, 27 August 2020 (UTC) | ::*I'd say ALT1 is also problematic, both because the source seemingly doesn't mention burning (it says 'destroy' from what I gather, notably the burning of literature has a specific historical connotation. In this case, regardless of how the books were destroyed and in what quantities, it would presumably not have been as a public ritual) and secondly because just saying 'the communists' is quite ambiguous. Who were the ones carrying out the action? Soviet military forces? NKVD? The Latvian Communist Party? --[[User:Soman|Soman]] ([[User talk:Soman|talk]]) 21:32, 27 August 2020 (UTC) | ||
+ | :::*{{U|Soman}}, Thanks for noting the apparent mis-translation. I've changed the article and Alt1 hook to "destroyed". The cited newspaper article simply says "komunisti", without further specifying. <i><b><small><span style="border:1px solid black;padding:1px;">[[User:JGHowes|<span style="color:white;background:#008000;"> JGHowes </span>]]</span></small><span style="color: blue;"> <sup>[[User talk:JGHowes|''talk'']]</sup></span></b></i> 23:15, 27 August 2020 (UTC) | ||
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Valdemārs Klētnieks
- ... that Valdemārs Klētnieks was the national Scout Commissioner for Latvia before World War II, but fled his country after the Scout president, Kārlis Goppers, was executed after a show trial? Source: "You are strongly encouraged to quote the source text supporting each hook" (and [link] the source, or cite it briefly without using citation templates)
- ALT1:... that the Latvian Boy Scout Handbook written in 1933 by Valdemārs Klētnieks was destroyed
burnedby the communists during the Soviet occupation of Latvia in 1940? Source: "1940 gada komunisti pec Latvijas okupacijas jauiespiesto gromatu Latviesu skautisma pilngadiba iznicinaja" — "Ugunskurā Beidz Kvēlot Ogles", Latvija Amerika (in Latvian)
- ALT1:... that the Latvian Boy Scout Handbook written in 1933 by Valdemārs Klētnieks was destroyed
Created by JGHowes (talk). Nominated by Evrik (talk) at 18:25, 26 August 2020 (UTC).
Comment: I've added Alt1 which is reliably sourced by a newspaper clipping, albeit printed in Latvian. The other hook is problematic, because some sources indicate that Kletnieks remained in Latvia after the execution of Goppers until 1944. JGHowes talk 01:35, 27 August 2020 (UTC)
- I'd say ALT1 is also problematic, both because the source seemingly doesn't mention burning (it says 'destroy' from what I gather, notably the burning of literature has a specific historical connotation. In this case, regardless of how the books were destroyed and in what quantities, it would presumably not have been as a public ritual) and secondly because just saying 'the communists' is quite ambiguous. Who were the ones carrying out the action? Soviet military forces? NKVD? The Latvian Communist Party? --Soman (talk) 21:32, 27 August 2020 (UTC)
- Template:U, Thanks for noting the apparent mis-translation. I've changed the article and Alt1 hook to "destroyed". The cited newspaper article simply says "komunisti", without further specifying. JGHowes talk 23:15, 27 August 2020 (UTC)