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==One of everything (metric)==
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==One of everything==
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=== (fictional metric)===
 
{{Aircraft specs
 
{{Aircraft specs
 
|ref=<!-- reference -->source name
 
|ref=<!-- reference -->source name
 
|prime units?=met<!-- imp or kts first for US aircraft, and UK aircraft pre-metrification,  
 
|prime units?=met<!-- imp or kts first for US aircraft, and UK aircraft pre-metrification,  
 +
met(ric) first for all others. You MUST choose a format, or no specifications will show -->
 +
<!--
 +
        General characteristics
 +
-->
 +
|genhide=
 +
 +
|crew=one pilot
 +
|capacity=lots of passengers
 +
|length m=20
 +
|length ft=
 +
|length in=
 +
|length note=nose probe to tail light
 +
|span m=30
 +
|span ft=
 +
|span in=
 +
|span note=with extra tips
 +
|upper span m=
 +
|upper span ft=
 +
|upper span in=
 +
|upper span note=
 +
|mid span m=
 +
|mid span ft=
 +
|mid span in=
 +
|mid span note=
 +
|lower span m=
 +
|lower span ft=
 +
|lower span in=
 +
|lower span note=
 +
|swept m=<!-- swing-wings -->
 +
|swept ft=<!-- swing-wings -->
 +
|swept in=<!-- swing-wings -->
 +
|swept note=
 +
|dia m=<!-- airships etc -->
 +
|dia ft=<!-- airships etc -->
 +
|dia in=<!-- airships etc -->
 +
|dia note=
 +
|width m=<!-- if applicable -->
 +
|width ft=<!-- if applicable -->
 +
|width in=<!-- if applicable -->
 +
|width note=
 +
|height m=5
 +
|height ft=
 +
|height in=
 +
|height note=to top of rudder
 +
|wing area sqm=
 +
|wing area sqft=
 +
|wing area note=
 +
|swept area sqm=<!-- swing-wings -->
 +
|swept area sqft=<!-- swing-wings -->
 +
|swept area note=
 +
|volume m3=<!-- lighter-than-air -->
 +
|volume ft3=<!-- lighter-than-air -->
 +
|volume note=
 +
|aspect ratio=<!-- sailplanes -->
 +
|airfoil=NACA something
 +
|empty weight kg=5000
 +
|empty weight lb=
 +
|empty weight note=absolutely dry
 +
|gross weight kg=7500
 +
|gross weight lb=
 +
|gross weight note=all up
 +
|max takeoff weight kg=7800
 +
|max takeoff weight lb=
 +
|max takeoff weight note=if you must
 +
|fuel capacity=1500 litres
 +
|lift kg=<!-- lighter-than-air -->
 +
|lift lb=<!-- lighter-than-air -->
 +
|lift note=
 +
|more general=
 +
*'''Extra note:''' something else
 +
<!--
 +
        Powerplant
 +
-->
 +
|eng1 number=4
 +
|eng1 name=Rolls-Whitney AS5
 +
|eng1 type=turbines
 +
|eng1 kw=<!-- prop engines -->
 +
|eng1 hp=<!-- prop engines -->
 +
|eng1 shp=<!-- prop engines -->
 +
|eng1 kn=5000<!-- jet/rocket engines -->
 +
|eng1 lbf=<!-- jet/rocket engines -->
 +
|eng1 note=at full power
 +
|power original=
 +
|thrust original=
 +
|eng1 kn-ab=<!-- afterburners -->
 +
|eng1 lbf-ab=<!-- afterburners -->
 +
 +
|eng2 number=
 +
|eng2 name=
 +
|eng2 type=
 +
|eng2 kw=<!-- prop engines -->
 +
|eng2 hp=<!-- prop engines -->
 +
|eng2 shp=<!-- prop engines -->
 +
|eng2 kn=<!-- jet/rocket engines -->
 +
|eng2 lbf=<!-- jet/rocket engines -->
 +
|eng2 note=
 +
|eng2 kn-ab=<!-- afterburners -->
 +
|eng2 lbf-ab=<!-- afterburners -->
 +
 +
|eng3 number=
 +
|eng3 name=
 +
|eng3 type=
 +
|eng3 kw=<!-- prop engines -->
 +
|eng3 hp=<!-- prop engines -->
 +
|eng3 shp=<!-- prop engines -->
 +
|eng3 kn=<!-- jet/rocket engines -->
 +
|eng3 lbf=<!-- jet/rocket engines -->
 +
|eng3 note=
 +
|eng3 kn-ab=<!-- afterburners -->
 +
|eng3 lbf-ab=<!-- afterburners -->
 +
|more power=
 +
 +
|prop blade number=<!-- propeller aircraft -->
 +
|prop name=
 +
|prop dia m=<!-- propeller aircraft -->
 +
|prop dia ft=<!-- propeller aircraft -->
 +
|prop dia in=<!-- propeller aircraft -->
 +
|prop dia note=
 +
 +
|rot number=<!-- helicopters -->
 +
|rot dia m=<!-- helicopters -->
 +
|rot dia ft=<!-- helicopters -->
 +
|rot dia in=<!-- helicopters -->
 +
|rot area sqm=<!-- helicopters -->
 +
|rot area sqft=<!-- helicopters -->
 +
|rot area note=
 +
<!--
 +
        Performance
 +
-->
 +
|perfhide=
 +
 +
|max speed kmh=500
 +
|max speed mph=
 +
|max speed kts=
 +
|max speed note=flat out
 +
|max speed mach=<!-- supersonic aircraft -->
 +
|cruise speed kmh=350
 +
|cruise speed mph=
 +
|cruise speed kts=
 +
|cruise speed note=nice and gentle
 +
|stall speed kmh=160
 +
|stall speed mph=
 +
|stall speed kts=
 +
|stall speed note=full flaps and praying
 +
|never exceed speed kmh=800
 +
|never exceed speed mph=
 +
|never exceed speed kts=
 +
|never exceed speed note=on a good day
 +
|minimum control speed kmh=155
 +
|minimum control speed mph=
 +
|minimum control speed kts=
 +
|minimum control speed note=whatever this means
 +
|range km=1000
 +
|range miles=
 +
|range nmi=
 +
|range note=full tank
 +
|combat range km=
 +
|combat range miles=
 +
|combat range nmi=
 +
|combat range note=
 +
|ferry range km=
 +
|ferry range miles=
 +
|ferry range nmi=
 +
|ferry range note=
 +
|endurance=<!-- if range unknown -->
 +
|ceiling m=10000
 +
|ceiling ft=
 +
|ceiling note=
 +
|g limits=<!-- aerobatic -->
 +
|roll rate=<!-- aerobatic -->
 +
|glide ratio=<!-- sailplanes -->
 +
|climb rate ms=10
 +
|climb rate ftmin=
 +
|climb rate note=kind of gentle
 +
|time to altitude=
 +
|sink rate ms=<!-- sailplanes -->
 +
|sink rate ftmin=<!-- sailplanes -->
 +
|sink rate note=
 +
|lift to drag=
 +
|wing loading kg/m2=
 +
|wing loading lb/sqft=
 +
|wing loading note=
 +
|disk loading kg/m2=
 +
|disk loading lb/sqft=
 +
|disk loading note=
 +
|fuel consumption kg/km=22
 +
|fuel consumption lb/mi=
 +
|power/mass=
 +
|thrust/weight=
 +
 +
|more performance=
 +
<!--
 +
        Armament
 +
-->
 +
|armament=<!-- add bulletted list here or if you want to use the following
 +
specific parameters, remove this parameter-->
 +
|guns=
 +
|bombs=
 +
|rockets=
 +
|missiles=
 +
|hardpoints=
 +
|hardpoint capacity=
 +
|hardpoint rockets=
 +
|hardpoint missiles=
 +
|hardpoint bombs=
 +
|hardpoint other=
 +
 +
|avionics=
 +
}}
 +
=== (fictional imp)===
 +
but with only metric values in the params
 +
{{Aircraft specs
 +
|ref=<!-- reference -->source name
 +
|prime units?=imp<!-- imp or kts first for US aircraft, and UK aircraft pre-metrification,
 +
met(ric) first for all others. You MUST choose a format, or no specifications will show -->
 +
<!--
 +
        General characteristics
 +
-->
 +
|genhide=
 +
 +
|crew=one pilot
 +
|capacity=lots of passengers
 +
|length m=20
 +
|length ft=
 +
|length in=
 +
|length note=nose probe to tail light
 +
|span m=30
 +
|span ft=
 +
|span in=
 +
|span note=with extra tips
 +
|upper span m=
 +
|upper span ft=
 +
|upper span in=
 +
|upper span note=
 +
|mid span m=
 +
|mid span ft=
 +
|mid span in=
 +
|mid span note=
 +
|lower span m=
 +
|lower span ft=
 +
|lower span in=
 +
|lower span note=
 +
|swept m=<!-- swing-wings -->
 +
|swept ft=<!-- swing-wings -->
 +
|swept in=<!-- swing-wings -->
 +
|swept note=
 +
|dia m=<!-- airships etc -->
 +
|dia ft=<!-- airships etc -->
 +
|dia in=<!-- airships etc -->
 +
|dia note=
 +
|width m=<!-- if applicable -->
 +
|width ft=<!-- if applicable -->
 +
|width in=<!-- if applicable -->
 +
|width note=
 +
|height m=5
 +
|height ft=
 +
|height in=
 +
|height note=to top of rudder
 +
|wing area sqm=
 +
|wing area sqft=
 +
|wing area note=
 +
|swept area sqm=<!-- swing-wings -->
 +
|swept area sqft=<!-- swing-wings -->
 +
|swept area note=
 +
|volume m3=<!-- lighter-than-air -->
 +
|volume ft3=<!-- lighter-than-air -->
 +
|volume note=
 +
|aspect ratio=<!-- sailplanes -->
 +
|airfoil=NACA something
 +
|empty weight kg=5000
 +
|empty weight lb=
 +
|empty weight note=absolutely dry
 +
|gross weight kg=7500
 +
|gross weight lb=
 +
|gross weight note=all up
 +
|max takeoff weight kg=7800
 +
|max takeoff weight lb=
 +
|max takeoff weight note=if you must
 +
|fuel capacity=1500 litres
 +
|lift kg=<!-- lighter-than-air -->
 +
|lift lb=<!-- lighter-than-air -->
 +
|lift note=
 +
|more general=
 +
*'''Extra note:''' something else
 +
<!--
 +
        Powerplant
 +
-->
 +
|eng1 number=4
 +
|eng1 name=Rolls-Whitney AS5
 +
|eng1 type=turbines
 +
|eng1 kw=<!-- prop engines -->
 +
|eng1 hp=<!-- prop engines -->
 +
|eng1 shp=<!-- prop engines -->
 +
|eng1 kn=5000<!-- jet/rocket engines -->
 +
|eng1 lbf=<!-- jet/rocket engines -->
 +
|eng1 note=at full power
 +
|power original=
 +
|thrust original=
 +
|eng1 kn-ab=<!-- afterburners -->
 +
|eng1 lbf-ab=<!-- afterburners -->
 +
 +
|eng2 number=
 +
|eng2 name=
 +
|eng2 type=
 +
|eng2 kw=<!-- prop engines -->
 +
|eng2 hp=<!-- prop engines -->
 +
|eng2 shp=<!-- prop engines -->
 +
|eng2 kn=<!-- jet/rocket engines -->
 +
|eng2 lbf=<!-- jet/rocket engines -->
 +
|eng2 note=
 +
|eng2 kn-ab=<!-- afterburners -->
 +
|eng2 lbf-ab=<!-- afterburners -->
 +
 +
|eng3 number=
 +
|eng3 name=
 +
|eng3 type=
 +
|eng3 kw=<!-- prop engines -->
 +
|eng3 hp=<!-- prop engines -->
 +
|eng3 shp=<!-- prop engines -->
 +
|eng3 kn=<!-- jet/rocket engines -->
 +
|eng3 lbf=<!-- jet/rocket engines -->
 +
|eng3 note=
 +
|eng3 kn-ab=<!-- afterburners -->
 +
|eng3 lbf-ab=<!-- afterburners -->
 +
|more power=
 +
 +
|prop blade number=<!-- propeller aircraft -->
 +
|prop name=
 +
|prop dia m=<!-- propeller aircraft -->
 +
|prop dia ft=<!-- propeller aircraft -->
 +
|prop dia in=<!-- propeller aircraft -->
 +
|prop dia note=
 +
 +
|rot number=<!-- helicopters -->
 +
|rot dia m=<!-- helicopters -->
 +
|rot dia ft=<!-- helicopters -->
 +
|rot dia in=<!-- helicopters -->
 +
|rot area sqm=<!-- helicopters -->
 +
|rot area sqft=<!-- helicopters -->
 +
|rot area note=
 +
<!--
 +
        Performance
 +
-->
 +
|perfhide=
 +
 +
|max speed kmh=500
 +
|max speed mph=
 +
|max speed kts=
 +
|max speed note=flat out
 +
|max speed mach=<!-- supersonic aircraft -->
 +
|cruise speed kmh=350
 +
|cruise speed mph=
 +
|cruise speed kts=
 +
|cruise speed note=nice and gentle
 +
|stall speed kmh=160
 +
|stall speed mph=
 +
|stall speed kts=
 +
|stall speed note=full flaps and praying
 +
|never exceed speed kmh=800
 +
|never exceed speed mph=
 +
|never exceed speed kts=
 +
|never exceed speed note=on a good day
 +
|minimum control speed kmh=155
 +
|minimum control speed mph=
 +
|minimum control speed kts=
 +
|minimum control speed note=whatever this means
 +
|range km=1000
 +
|range miles=
 +
|range nmi=
 +
|range note=full tank
 +
|combat range km=
 +
|combat range miles=
 +
|combat range nmi=
 +
|combat range note=
 +
|ferry range km=
 +
|ferry range miles=
 +
|ferry range nmi=
 +
|ferry range note=
 +
|endurance=<!-- if range unknown -->
 +
|ceiling m=10000
 +
|ceiling ft=
 +
|ceiling note=
 +
|g limits=<!-- aerobatic -->
 +
|roll rate=<!-- aerobatic -->
 +
|glide ratio=<!-- sailplanes -->
 +
|climb rate ms=10
 +
|climb rate ftmin=
 +
|climb rate note=kind of gentle
 +
|time to altitude=
 +
|sink rate ms=<!-- sailplanes -->
 +
|sink rate ftmin=<!-- sailplanes -->
 +
|sink rate note=
 +
|lift to drag=
 +
|wing loading kg/m2=
 +
|wing loading lb/sqft=
 +
|wing loading note=
 +
|disk loading kg/m2=
 +
|disk loading lb/sqft=
 +
|disk loading note=
 +
|fuel consumption kg/km=22
 +
|fuel consumption lb/mi=
 +
|power/mass=
 +
|thrust/weight=
 +
 +
|more performance=
 +
<!--
 +
        Armament
 +
-->
 +
|armament=<!-- add bulletted list here or if you want to use the following
 +
specific parameters, remove this parameter-->
 +
|guns=
 +
|bombs=
 +
|rockets=
 +
|missiles=
 +
|hardpoints=
 +
|hardpoint capacity=
 +
|hardpoint rockets=
 +
|hardpoint missiles=
 +
|hardpoint bombs=
 +
|hardpoint other=
 +
 +
|avionics=
 +
}}
 +
=== (fictional in knots)===
 +
but only metric in params
 +
 +
{{Aircraft specs
 +
|ref=<!-- reference -->source name
 +
|prime units?=kts<!-- imp or kts first for US aircraft, and UK aircraft pre-metrification,
 
met(ric) first for all others. You MUST choose a format, or no specifications will show -->
 
met(ric) first for all others. You MUST choose a format, or no specifications will show -->
 
<!--
 
<!--

Revision as of 07:56, 3 September 2014

One of everything

(fictional metric)

Data from source name

General characteristics

  • Crew: one pilot
  • Capacity: lots of passengers
  • Length: 20 m (65 ft 7 in) nose probe to tail light
  • Wingspan: 30 m (98 ft 5 in) with extra tips
  • Height: 5 m (16 ft 5 in) to top of rudder
  • Airfoil: NACA something
  • Empty weight: 5,000 kg (11,023 lb) absolutely dry
  • Gross weight: 7,500 kg (16,535 lb) all up
  • Max takeoff weight: 7,800 kg (17,196 lb) if you must
  • Fuel capacity: 1500 litres
  • Extra note: something else
  • Powerplant: 4 × Rolls-Whitney AS5 turbines, 5,000 kN (1,100,000 lbf) thrust each at full power

Performance

  • Maximum speed: 500 km/h (310 mph, 270 kn) flat out
  • Cruise speed: 350 km/h (220 mph, 190 kn) nice and gentle
  • Stall speed: 160 km/h (99 mph, 86 kn) full flaps and praying
  • Never exceed speed: 800 km/h (500 mph, 430 kn) on a good day
  • Minimum control speed: 155 km/h (96 mph, 84 kn) whatever this means
  • Range: 1,000 km (620 mi, 540 nmi) full tank
  • Service ceiling: 10,000 m (33,000 ft)
  • Rate of climb: 10 m/s (2,000 ft/min) kind of gentle
  • Fuel consumption: 22 kg/km (78 lb/mi)

(fictional imp)

but with only metric values in the params

Data from source name

General characteristics

  • Crew: one pilot
  • Capacity: lots of passengers
  • Length: 65 ft 7 in (20 m) nose probe to tail light
  • Wingspan: 98 ft 5 in (30 m) with extra tips
  • Height: 16 ft 5 in (5 m) to top of rudder
  • Airfoil: NACA something
  • Empty weight: 11,023 lb (5,000 kg) absolutely dry
  • Gross weight: 16,535 lb (7,500 kg) all up
  • Max takeoff weight: 17,196 lb (7,800 kg) if you must
  • Fuel capacity: 1500 litres
  • Extra note: something else
  • Powerplant: 4 × Rolls-Whitney AS5 turbines, 1,100,000 lbf (5,000 kN) thrust each at full power

Performance

  • Maximum speed: 310 mph (500 km/h, 270 kn) flat out
  • Cruise speed: 220 mph (350 km/h, 190 kn) nice and gentle
  • Stall speed: 99 mph (160 km/h, 86 kn) full flaps and praying
  • Never exceed speed: 500 mph (800 km/h, 430 kn) on a good day
  • Minimum control speed: 96 mph (155 km/h, 84 kn) whatever this means
  • Range: 620 mi (1,000 km, 540 nmi) full tank
  • Service ceiling: 33,000 ft (10,000 m)
  • Rate of climb: 2,000 ft/min (10 m/s) kind of gentle
  • Fuel consumption: 78 lb/mi (22 kg/km)

(fictional in knots)

but only metric in params

Data from source name

General characteristics

  • Crew: one pilot
  • Capacity: lots of passengers
  • Length: 65 ft 7 in (20 m) nose probe to tail light
  • Wingspan: 98 ft 5 in (30 m) with extra tips
  • Height: 16 ft 5 in (5 m) to top of rudder
  • Airfoil: NACA something
  • Empty weight: 11,023 lb (5,000 kg) absolutely dry
  • Gross weight: 16,535 lb (7,500 kg) all up
  • Max takeoff weight: 17,196 lb (7,800 kg) if you must
  • Fuel capacity: 1500 litres
  • Extra note: something else
  • Powerplant: 4 × Rolls-Whitney AS5 turbines, 1,100,000 lbf (5,000 kN) thrust each at full power

Performance

  • Maximum speed: 270 kn (310 mph, 500 km/h) flat out
  • Cruise speed: 190 kn (220 mph, 350 km/h) nice and gentle
  • Stall speed: 86 kn (99 mph, 160 km/h) full flaps and praying
  • Never exceed speed: 430 kn (500 mph, 800 km/h) on a good day
  • Minimum control speed: 84 kn (96 mph, 155 km/h) whatever this means
  • Range: 540 nmi (620 mi, 1,000 km) full tank
  • Service ceiling: 33,000 ft (10,000 m)
  • Rate of climb: 2,000 ft/min (10 m/s) kind of gentle
  • Fuel consumption: 78 lb/mi (22 kg/km)

Testing auto reversing (MET, no inches)

General characteristics

  • Length: 2 m (6 ft 7 in)
  • Wingspan: 0.61 m (2 ft)
  • Upper wingspan: 0.61 m (2 ft)
  • Mid wingspan: 0.61 m (2 ft)
  • Lower wingspan: 0.61 m (2 ft) spread, 0.61 m (2 ft) swept
  • Diameter: 0.61 m (2 ft)
  • Width: 0.61 m (2 ft)
  • Height: 0.61 m (2 ft)
  • Wing area: 0.19 m2 (2 sq ft) spread, 0.19 m2 (2 sq ft) swept
  • Volume: 0.057 m3 (2 cu ft)
  • Empty weight: 1 kg (2 lb)
  • Gross weight: 1 kg (2 lb)
  • Max takeoff weight: 1 kg (2 lb)
  • Useful lift: 0.91 kg (2 lb)
  • Powerplant: 1 × x y, 1.5 kW (2 hp) dry, 0.0089 kN (2 lbf) with afterburner
  • Powerplant: 2 × v f, 1.5 kW (2 hp) each dry, 0.0089 kN (2 lbf) with afterburner
  • Powerplant: 3 × f g, 1.5 kW (2 hp) each dry, 0.0089 kN (2 lbf) with afterburner
  • Main rotor diameter: 3× 0.61 m (2 ft)
  • Main rotor area: 0.19 m2 (2 sq ft)
  • Propellers: 2-bladed sds, 0.61 m (2 ft) diameter

Performance

  • Maximum speed: 3.2 km/h (2.0 mph, 1.7 kn)
  • Cruise speed: 3.2 km/h (2.0 mph, 1.7 kn)
  • Stall speed: 3.2 km/h (2.0 mph, 1.7 kn)
  • Never exceed speed: 3.2 km/h (2.0 mph, 1.7 kn)
  • Minimum control speed: 3.2 km/h (2.0 mph, 1.7 kn)
  • Range: 3.2 km (2.0 mi, 1.7 nmi)
  • Combat range: 3.2 km (2.0 mi, 1.7 nmi)
  • Ferry range: 3.2 km (2.0 mi, 1.7 nmi)
  • Service ceiling: 0.61 m (2 ft)
  • Rate of climb: 0.010 m/s (2 ft/min)
  • Rate of sink: 0.010 m/s (2 ft/min)
  • Wing loading: 9.8 kg/m2 (2 lb/sq ft)
  • Disk loading: 9.8 kg/m2 (2 lb/sq ft)
  • Fuel consumption: 0.56 kg/km (2 lb/mi)

Specifications

Data from British Civil Aircraft 1919-72[1]

General characteristics

  • Crew: 2
  • Length: 4.0 m (22 ft 3.5 in)
  • Wingspan: 7.0 m (27 ft 4 in) overall
  • Upper wingspan: 6.0 m (22 ft 0 in)
  • Lower wingspan: 8.33 m (27 ft 4 in)
  • Wing area: 5.0 m2 (164 sq ft) [2]
  • Airfoil: modified RAF31[3]
  • Empty weight: 200 kg (480 lb)
  • Gross weight: 400 kg (874 lb)
  • Powerplant: 1 × Bristol Cherub III flat twin piston engine
  • Propellers: 2 m (6 ft 7 in) diameter

Performance

  • Maximum speed: 105 km/h (65 mph, 56 kn) [3]

prop testing section

no number value test

General characteristics

  • Propellers: 1 m (3 ft 3 in) diameter

Performance

diameter test

General characteristics Performance

type test

General characteristics

  • Propellers: 2.4 m (7 ft 10 in) diameter

Performance

Rotodyne display test

Rotodyne - aircraft specifications template

Fairey Rotodyne 3-view

General characteristics

  • Crew: 2
  • Capacity: 48 passengers

Performance

Rotodyne - this template

General characteristics

  • Crew: 2
  • Capacity: 48 passengers
  • Length: 58 ft 8 in (17.88 m)
  • Wingspan: 90 ft (27 m)
  • Wing area: 6,360 sq ft (591 m2)
  • Gross weight: 33,000 lb (14,969 kg)
  • Max takeoff weight: 38,000 lb (17,237 kg)
  • Powerplant: 4 × rotor tip jet burning compressed air/fuel
  • Powerplant: 2 × Napier Eland turboprop, 2,800 hp (2,100 kW) each
  • Main rotor diameter: 90 ft (27 m)

Performance

  • Maximum speed: 213 mph (343 km/h, 185 kn)
  • Range: 520 mi (840 km, 450 nmi)
  • Wing loading: 5.2 lb/sq ft (25 kg/m2)power mass 0.17

ref dump

  1. Jackson 1973 p.296
  2. excluding ailerons
  3. 3.0 3.1 something else