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The result was: '''promoted''' by [[User:Yoninah|Yoninah]] ([[User talk:Yoninah|talk]])&nbsp;11:58, 22 July 2020 (UTC)<br />
 
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* ... <s>that Ghanaian-American economist '''[[Anna Gifty Opoku-Agyeman]]''' ''(pictured)'' co-founded [[The Sadie Collective]], which aims to increase representation of black women in economics and other quantitative fields?</s>  <small>Source: [https://news.umbc.edu/1st-sadie-alexander-conference/ UMBC students Anna Gifty Opoku-Agyeman and Olusayo Adeleye co-create 1st U.S. conference for Black women economists]</small>
 
* ... <s>that Ghanaian-American economist '''[[Anna Gifty Opoku-Agyeman]]''' ''(pictured)'' co-founded [[The Sadie Collective]], which aims to increase representation of black women in economics and other quantitative fields?</s>  <small>Source: [https://news.umbc.edu/1st-sadie-alexander-conference/ UMBC students Anna Gifty Opoku-Agyeman and Olusayo Adeleye co-create 1st U.S. conference for Black women economists]</small>
 
** '''ALT1''':... that '''[[Anna Gifty Opoku-Agyeman]]''' ''(pictured)'' co-founded [[The Sadie Collective]], which aims to increase representation of black women in economics and other quantitative fields?
 
** '''ALT1''':... that '''[[Anna Gifty Opoku-Agyeman]]''' ''(pictured)'' co-founded [[The Sadie Collective]], which aims to increase representation of black women in economics and other quantitative fields?
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:* ''Comment'': There is currently an AfD on the article, but I believe that it was made by a bad faith actor, and it looks like the article will be kept.
 
:* ''Comment'': There is currently an AfD on the article, but I believe that it was made by a bad faith actor, and it looks like the article will be kept.
 
<small>Created by [[User:Yul B. Allwright|Yul B. Allwright]] ([[User talk:Yul B. Allwright|talk]]). Nominated by [[User:The Squirrel Conspiracy|The Squirrel Conspiracy]] ([[User talk:The Squirrel Conspiracy|talk]]) at 23:43, 6 June 2020 (UTC).</small>
 
<small>Created by [[User:Yul B. Allwright|Yul B. Allwright]] ([[User talk:Yul B. Allwright|talk]]). Nominated by [[User:The Squirrel Conspiracy|The Squirrel Conspiracy]] ([[User talk:The Squirrel Conspiracy|talk]]) at 23:43, 6 June 2020 (UTC).</small>
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:* ''Comment'': I think the suggested hook is inaccurate, because she is not yet an ECONOMIST. Ms Opoku-Agyeman is an activist, a writer, and a student of economics. She has been influential in the field of economics for her organizing work and writing about the field, but not thus far for her own research or teaching. I have no objection to ALT1. <!-- Template:Unsigned --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:EAWH|EAWH]] ([[User talk:EAWH#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/EAWH|contribs]]) </small>
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:* ''Comment'': I think the suggested hook is inaccurate, because she is not yet an ECONOMIST. Ms Opoku-Agyeman is an activist, a writer, and a student of economics. She has been influential in the field of economics for her organizing work and writing about the field, but not thus far for her own research or teaching. I have no objection to ALT1. <small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:EAWH|EAWH]] ([[User talk:EAWH#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/EAWH|contribs]]) </small>
 
:** One does not become an economist by getting a graduate degree in economics. One becomes an economist by [[:wiktionary:economist|practicing economics]]. "She has simultaneously held an appointment as a visiting research fellow at the National Bureau of Economic Research." would indicate that she meets that standard. [[User:The Squirrel Conspiracy|The Squirrel Conspiracy]] ([[User talk:The Squirrel Conspiracy|talk]]) 03:33, 8 June 2020 (UTC)
 
:** One does not become an economist by getting a graduate degree in economics. One becomes an economist by [[:wiktionary:economist|practicing economics]]. "She has simultaneously held an appointment as a visiting research fellow at the National Bureau of Economic Research." would indicate that she meets that standard. [[User:The Squirrel Conspiracy|The Squirrel Conspiracy]] ([[User talk:The Squirrel Conspiracy|talk]]) 03:33, 8 June 2020 (UTC)
 
:***I’m having difficulty verifying that {{tq|Visiting Research Fellow}} is even a position at the NBER (see [[Talk:Anna Gifty Opoku-Agyeman#Dubious]]).{{pb}}Even ignoring that, it’s a stretch to call someone an economist when they do not have an economics degree (besides a minor in Economics), do not have economics publications (besides blog posts), and have not been described by independent RSes as an economist. Just go with ALT1. — <span style="font-family:Trebuchet MS;font-size:100%;color:black;background-color:transparent;;">[[User:MarkH21|MarkH<sub><small>21</small></sub>]]<sup>[[User talk:MarkH21|<span style="background-color:navy; color:white;">talk</span>]]</sup></span> 11:16, 8 June 2020 (UTC)
 
:***I’m having difficulty verifying that {{tq|Visiting Research Fellow}} is even a position at the NBER (see [[Talk:Anna Gifty Opoku-Agyeman#Dubious]]).{{pb}}Even ignoring that, it’s a stretch to call someone an economist when they do not have an economics degree (besides a minor in Economics), do not have economics publications (besides blog posts), and have not been described by independent RSes as an economist. Just go with ALT1. — <span style="font-family:Trebuchet MS;font-size:100%;color:black;background-color:transparent;;">[[User:MarkH21|MarkH<sub><small>21</small></sub>]]<sup>[[User talk:MarkH21|<span style="background-color:navy; color:white;">talk</span>]]</sup></span> 11:16, 8 June 2020 (UTC)
:::*Please take a look at the way "economist" is used to describe notable people in Wikipedia. Look at the pages in lists such as [[List of economists]]--all of these people who work as economists in the 21st Century have PhDs. There is a reason that all of the economist categories were removed from this page, after much discussion among editors. And note that while "Faculty Research Fellows" at the NBER are highly competitive positions for economists, "Visiting Research Fellow" is a different title used for post-BA students. <!-- Template:Unsigned --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:EAWH|EAWH]] ([[User talk:EAWH#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/EAWH|contribs]]) </small>
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:::*Please take a look at the way "economist" is used to describe notable people in Wikipedia. Look at the pages in lists such as [[List of economists]]--all of these people who work as economists in the 21st Century have PhDs. There is a reason that all of the economist categories were removed from this page, after much discussion among editors. And note that while "Faculty Research Fellows" at the NBER are highly competitive positions for economists, "Visiting Research Fellow" is a different title used for post-BA students. <small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:EAWH|EAWH]] ([[User talk:EAWH#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/EAWH|contribs]]) </small>
 
::::* I will leave it to the reviewer to decide whether the sources support ALT0 or not. That's why ALT1 exists. [[User:The Squirrel Conspiracy|The Squirrel Conspiracy]] ([[User talk:The Squirrel Conspiracy|talk]]) 22:42, 8 June 2020 (UTC)
 
::::* I will leave it to the reviewer to decide whether the sources support ALT0 or not. That's why ALT1 exists. [[User:The Squirrel Conspiracy|The Squirrel Conspiracy]] ([[User talk:The Squirrel Conspiracy|talk]]) 22:42, 8 June 2020 (UTC)
 
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:* ''Comment'': The article may have survived [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Anna Gifty Opoku-Agyeman|its AfD nomination]] due to the subject's [[Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Archive321#SNOW_close_of_AfD_with_significant_social-media_driven_new_user_participation|blatant Twitter canvassing]], but it's still pretty much an [[Wikipedia:Village_pump_(policy)#Is_it_time_to_place_greater_restrictions_on_AfD?|open question]] whether solicited biographies like this should remain in Wikipedia. I would refrain from prominently featuring it on DYK in the meantime. --[[User:Bender235|bender235]] ([[User talk:Bender235|talk]]) 17:20, 10 June 2020 (UTC)
 
:* ''Comment'': The article may have survived [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Anna Gifty Opoku-Agyeman|its AfD nomination]] due to the subject's [[Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Archive321#SNOW_close_of_AfD_with_significant_social-media_driven_new_user_participation|blatant Twitter canvassing]], but it's still pretty much an [[Wikipedia:Village_pump_(policy)#Is_it_time_to_place_greater_restrictions_on_AfD?|open question]] whether solicited biographies like this should remain in Wikipedia. I would refrain from prominently featuring it on DYK in the meantime. --[[User:Bender235|bender235]] ([[User talk:Bender235|talk]]) 17:20, 10 June 2020 (UTC)
::*Good Grief! You made your opinion quite clear in that AfD discussion, and other active, experienced editors disagreed with you. It's absurd to say that the article survived AfD due to the subject's Twitter posts when we don't know how the AfD discussion would have evolved otherwise. (I argued that the page should be Kept before I saw the Twitter posts, and I wasn't alone.) <!-- Template:Unsigned --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:EAWH|EAWH]] ([[User talk:EAWH#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/EAWH|contribs]]) </small>
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::*Good Grief! You made your opinion quite clear in that AfD discussion, and other active, experienced editors disagreed with you. It's absurd to say that the article survived AfD due to the subject's Twitter posts when we don't know how the AfD discussion would have evolved otherwise. (I argued that the page should be Kept before I saw the Twitter posts, and I wasn't alone.) <small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:EAWH|EAWH]] ([[User talk:EAWH#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/EAWH|contribs]]) </small>
 
:::*As [[Special:Diff/961737765|elaborated here]], more than 20 of the roughly 35 Wikipedians commenting on the AfD had practically dormant accounts (no contribution in more than a month prior), including seven [[WP:SPA|single-purpose accounts]] only created to dump a comment and leave. Clearly those people only showed up because of canvassing. As you may recall, the AfD was closed [[Prejudice (legal term)|without prejudice]]. --[[User:Bender235|bender235]] ([[User talk:Bender235|talk]]) 19:43, 10 June 2020 (UTC)  
 
:::*As [[Special:Diff/961737765|elaborated here]], more than 20 of the roughly 35 Wikipedians commenting on the AfD had practically dormant accounts (no contribution in more than a month prior), including seven [[WP:SPA|single-purpose accounts]] only created to dump a comment and leave. Clearly those people only showed up because of canvassing. As you may recall, the AfD was closed [[Prejudice (legal term)|without prejudice]]. --[[User:Bender235|bender235]] ([[User talk:Bender235|talk]]) 19:43, 10 June 2020 (UTC)  
 
::::*Of the at least 10 active Wikipedians commenting on the AfD, you appeared to be one of two arguing for Delete. If we ignore all of the dormant accounts, new accounts, and IP addresses, the discussion might likely have ended in Keep anyways. In your opinion, is any AfD ever truly closed?--[[User:EAWH|EAWH]] ([[User talk:EAWH|talk]]) 20:02, 10 June 2020 (UTC)   
 
::::*Of the at least 10 active Wikipedians commenting on the AfD, you appeared to be one of two arguing for Delete. If we ignore all of the dormant accounts, new accounts, and IP addresses, the discussion might likely have ended in Keep anyways. In your opinion, is any AfD ever truly closed?--[[User:EAWH|EAWH]] ([[User talk:EAWH|talk]]) 20:02, 10 June 2020 (UTC)   
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:::*[[File:Symbol confirmed.svg|16px]] Article now meets DYK criteria. Both hooks approved with no preference. [[User:Flibirigit|Flibirigit]] ([[User talk:Flibirigit|talk]]) 22:59, 17 July 2020 (UTC)
 
:::*[[File:Symbol confirmed.svg|16px]] Article now meets DYK criteria. Both hooks approved with no preference. [[User:Flibirigit|Flibirigit]] ([[User talk:Flibirigit|talk]]) 22:59, 17 July 2020 (UTC)
 
::::*[[File:Symbol question.svg|16px]] Please add an [[WP:IC|inline cite]] for the hook fact. [[User:Yoninah|Yoninah]] ([[User talk:Yoninah|talk]]) 23:13, 21 July 2020 (UTC)
 
::::*[[File:Symbol question.svg|16px]] Please add an [[WP:IC|inline cite]] for the hook fact. [[User:Yoninah|Yoninah]] ([[User talk:Yoninah|talk]]) 23:13, 21 July 2020 (UTC)
:::::*The article does not anywhere describe her as "an economist." <!-- Template:Unsigned --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:EAWH|EAWH]] ([[User talk:EAWH#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/EAWH|contribs]]) </small>
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:::::*The article does not anywhere describe her as "an economist." <small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:EAWH|EAWH]] ([[User talk:EAWH#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/EAWH|contribs]]) </small>
 
::::::* I presume that whomever promotes this article will have read the discussion above on that point. There's no need to rehash it. [[User:The Squirrel Conspiracy|The Squirrel Conspiracy]] ([[User talk:The Squirrel Conspiracy|talk]]) 02:12, 22 July 2020 (UTC)
 
::::::* I presume that whomever promotes this article will have read the discussion above on that point. There's no need to rehash it. [[User:The Squirrel Conspiracy|The Squirrel Conspiracy]] ([[User talk:The Squirrel Conspiracy|talk]]) 02:12, 22 July 2020 (UTC)
 
:::::::* [[File:Symbol confirmed.svg|16px]] I have struck ALT0. It is best to go with ALT1 which is now properly cited. [[User:Flibirigit|Flibirigit]] ([[User talk:Flibirigit|talk]]) 03:31, 22 July 2020 (UTC)
 
:::::::* [[File:Symbol confirmed.svg|16px]] I have struck ALT0. It is best to go with ALT1 which is now properly cited. [[User:Flibirigit|Flibirigit]] ([[User talk:Flibirigit|talk]]) 03:31, 22 July 2020 (UTC)
  
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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Yoninah (talk) 11:58, 22 July 2020 (UTC)

Anna Gifty Opoku-Agyeman

Anna Gifty Opoku-Agyeman
Anna Gifty Opoku-Agyeman

Created by Yul B. Allwright (talk). Nominated by The Squirrel Conspiracy (talk) at 23:43, 6 June 2020 (UTC).

  • Comment: I think the suggested hook is inaccurate, because she is not yet an ECONOMIST. Ms Opoku-Agyeman is an activist, a writer, and a student of economics. She has been influential in the field of economics for her organizing work and writing about the field, but not thus far for her own research or teaching. I have no objection to ALT1. — Preceding unsigned comment added by EAWH (talkcontribs)
    • One does not become an economist by getting a graduate degree in economics. One becomes an economist by practicing economics. "She has simultaneously held an appointment as a visiting research fellow at the National Bureau of Economic Research." would indicate that she meets that standard. The Squirrel Conspiracy (talk) 03:33, 8 June 2020 (UTC)
      • I’m having difficulty verifying that Template:Tq is even a position at the NBER (see Talk:Anna Gifty Opoku-Agyeman#Dubious).Template:PbEven ignoring that, it’s a stretch to call someone an economist when they do not have an economics degree (besides a minor in Economics), do not have economics publications (besides blog posts), and have not been described by independent RSes as an economist. Just go with ALT1. — MarkH21talk 11:16, 8 June 2020 (UTC)
  • Please take a look at the way "economist" is used to describe notable people in Wikipedia. Look at the pages in lists such as List of economists--all of these people who work as economists in the 21st Century have PhDs. There is a reason that all of the economist categories were removed from this page, after much discussion among editors. And note that while "Faculty Research Fellows" at the NBER are highly competitive positions for economists, "Visiting Research Fellow" is a different title used for post-BA students. — Preceding unsigned comment added by EAWH (talkcontribs)
  • I will leave it to the reviewer to decide whether the sources support ALT0 or not. That's why ALT1 exists. The Squirrel Conspiracy (talk) 22:42, 8 June 2020 (UTC)
Off-topic discussion about the now-closed AfD.
:* Comment: The article may have survived its AfD nomination due to the subject's blatant Twitter canvassing, but it's still pretty much an open question whether solicited biographies like this should remain in Wikipedia. I would refrain from prominently featuring it on DYK in the meantime. --bender235 (talk) 17:20, 10 June 2020 (UTC)
  • Good Grief! You made your opinion quite clear in that AfD discussion, and other active, experienced editors disagreed with you. It's absurd to say that the article survived AfD due to the subject's Twitter posts when we don't know how the AfD discussion would have evolved otherwise. (I argued that the page should be Kept before I saw the Twitter posts, and I wasn't alone.) — Preceding unsigned comment added by EAWH (talkcontribs)
  • As elaborated here, more than 20 of the roughly 35 Wikipedians commenting on the AfD had practically dormant accounts (no contribution in more than a month prior), including seven single-purpose accounts only created to dump a comment and leave. Clearly those people only showed up because of canvassing. As you may recall, the AfD was closed without prejudice. --bender235 (talk) 19:43, 10 June 2020 (UTC)
  • Of the at least 10 active Wikipedians commenting on the AfD, you appeared to be one of two arguing for Delete. If we ignore all of the dormant accounts, new accounts, and IP addresses, the discussion might likely have ended in Keep anyways. In your opinion, is any AfD ever truly closed?--EAWH (talk) 20:02, 10 June 2020 (UTC)
  • There are AfDs that reach a clear-cut decision in either direction, there are AfDs that don't reach consensus, and there are AfDs that are upended because of a deliberate sabotage of the process. The AfD we're talking about falls in the third category. --bender235 (talk) 20:50, 10 June 2020 (UTC)

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  • I wasn't the original author and didn't do a good enough review before nominating this. Thanks for the catch Flibirigit. I've reworded that section and fixed the missing title in citation 10. The Squirrel Conspiracy (talk) 17:39, 17 July 2020 (UTC)
  • Symbol confirmed.svg Article now meets DYK criteria. Both hooks approved with no preference. Flibirigit (talk) 22:59, 17 July 2020 (UTC)
  • The article does not anywhere describe her as "an economist." — Preceding unsigned comment added by EAWH (talkcontribs)
  • I presume that whomever promotes this article will have read the discussion above on that point. There's no need to rehash it. The Squirrel Conspiracy (talk) 02:12, 22 July 2020 (UTC)
  • Symbol confirmed.svg I have struck ALT0. It is best to go with ALT1 which is now properly cited. Flibirigit (talk) 03:31, 22 July 2020 (UTC)