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| − | {{*mp}}... that '''[[Furcifer angeli|Angel's Chameleon]]''' and the '''[[Furcifer balteatus|Rainforest Chameleon]]''' are both [[endemism|endemic]] to Madagascar? | + | <s>{{*mp}}... that '''[[Furcifer angeli|Angel's Chameleon]]''' and the '''[[Furcifer balteatus|Rainforest Chameleon]]''' are both [[endemism|endemic]] to Madagascar?</s> |
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:[[File:Symbol question.svg|16px]] The hook is not interesting or surprising; lots of animals are endemic to the country in which they are found. Can a better hook be found? [[User:Sasata|Sasata]] ([[User talk:Sasata|talk]]) 21:28, 30 November 2012 (UTC) | :[[File:Symbol question.svg|16px]] The hook is not interesting or surprising; lots of animals are endemic to the country in which they are found. Can a better hook be found? [[User:Sasata|Sasata]] ([[User talk:Sasata|talk]]) 21:28, 30 November 2012 (UTC) | ||
::The two articles are different. I have two hooks, each one for each article: | ::The two articles are different. I have two hooks, each one for each article: | ||
| − | :::For Angel's Chameleon: ... that the '''[[Furcifer angeli|Angel's Chameleon]]''' is a "drably coloured" version of the [[Furcifer pardalis|Panther Chameleon]]? | + | :::For Angel's Chameleon:<s> ... that the '''[[Furcifer angeli|Angel's Chameleon]]''' is a "drably coloured" version of the [[Furcifer pardalis|Panther Chameleon]]?</s> |
| − | :::For Rainforest Chameleon: ... that the green-coloured '''[[Furcifer balteatus|Rainforest Chameleon]]''' is [[Endangered species|endangered]]? | + | :::For Rainforest Chameleon: <s>... that the green-coloured '''[[Furcifer balteatus|Rainforest Chameleon]]''' is [[Endangered species|endangered]]?</s> |
::Hope it helps. — [[User:Hahc21|<font color="#333333">'''ΛΧΣ'''</font>]][[User_talk:Hahc21|<font color="#336699">'''21'''™</font>]] 06:06, 1 December 2012 (UTC) | ::Hope it helps. — [[User:Hahc21|<font color="#333333">'''ΛΧΣ'''</font>]][[User_talk:Hahc21|<font color="#336699">'''21'''™</font>]] 06:06, 1 December 2012 (UTC) | ||
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:*[[File:Symbol possible vote.svg|16px]] The proposed Rainforest Chameleon hook is not adequately supported by the source. Indeed, the first two sentences of the Description section are dubious not only because they start "In some species", which seems to contradict the article being about a single species called ''Furcifer balteatus''. Worse, the sources are pictures without description, making these descriptions creations of the author here, who can have no idea whether these are representative pictures (that is, typical of how the chameleon, which may well change color a lot, looks), ''and'' these sites warn that the photographer's identification hasn't actually been confirmed by experts. So we have no secondary reliable source for "green". For the Angel's Chameleon, this description was from an arbitrary photographer rather than from the official description/identification of the species based on a nighttime photograph (rather than its appearance during the day), so I have to wonder how accurate it is. I'm not sure, though, that a "according to amateur photographer John Sullivan, '''[[Furcifer angeli|Angel's Chameleon]]''' is a "drably coloured" version of the [[Furcifer pardalis|Panther Chameleon]]?" hook would fly. If there isn't going to be an effort to come up with interesting, accurate hooks—together or apart—for these articles, then we should probably let them go. [[User:BlueMoonset|BlueMoonset]] ([[User talk:BlueMoonset|talk]]) 22:33, 17 December 2012 (UTC) | :*[[File:Symbol possible vote.svg|16px]] The proposed Rainforest Chameleon hook is not adequately supported by the source. Indeed, the first two sentences of the Description section are dubious not only because they start "In some species", which seems to contradict the article being about a single species called ''Furcifer balteatus''. Worse, the sources are pictures without description, making these descriptions creations of the author here, who can have no idea whether these are representative pictures (that is, typical of how the chameleon, which may well change color a lot, looks), ''and'' these sites warn that the photographer's identification hasn't actually been confirmed by experts. So we have no secondary reliable source for "green". For the Angel's Chameleon, this description was from an arbitrary photographer rather than from the official description/identification of the species based on a nighttime photograph (rather than its appearance during the day), so I have to wonder how accurate it is. I'm not sure, though, that a "according to amateur photographer John Sullivan, '''[[Furcifer angeli|Angel's Chameleon]]''' is a "drably coloured" version of the [[Furcifer pardalis|Panther Chameleon]]?" hook would fly. If there isn't going to be an effort to come up with interesting, accurate hooks—together or apart—for these articles, then we should probably let them go. [[User:BlueMoonset|BlueMoonset]] ([[User talk:BlueMoonset|talk]]) 22:33, 17 December 2012 (UTC) | ||
| − | *... that the '''[[Furcifer balteatus|Rainforest Chameleon]]''' is to be highly desirable in the pet trade? | + | *<s>... that the '''[[Furcifer balteatus|Rainforest Chameleon]]''' is to be highly desirable in the pet trade?</s> |
| − | *... that despite having a natural habitat of forests, the '''[[Furcifer angeli|Angel's Chameleon]]''' can be found near roads and human habitations? | + | *<s>... that despite having a natural habitat of forests, the '''[[Furcifer angeli|Angel's Chameleon]]''' can be found near roads and human habitations?</s> |
*[[User:Thine Antique Pen|Thine Antique Pen]] ([[User talk:Thine Antique Pen|talk]]) 23:26, 17 December 2012 (UTC) | *[[User:Thine Antique Pen|Thine Antique Pen]] ([[User talk:Thine Antique Pen|talk]]) 23:26, 17 December 2012 (UTC) | ||
:::Bluemoonset makes good points here. I have found a licensed image and done some expansion of ''[[Furcifer balteatus]]''. It is difficult to find a suitable interesting single hook for these two chameleon species so I suggest the nomination is split. The hook for ''Furcifer balteatus'' could be: | :::Bluemoonset makes good points here. I have found a licensed image and done some expansion of ''[[Furcifer balteatus]]''. It is difficult to find a suitable interesting single hook for these two chameleon species so I suggest the nomination is split. The hook for ''Furcifer balteatus'' could be: | ||
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:* '''ALT3''' ... that despite the destruction of its forest habitat, the '''[[Furcifer angeli|Angel's Chameleon]]''' has adapted to life near roads and villages? [[User:Cwmhiraeth|Cwmhiraeth]] ([[User talk:Cwmhiraeth|talk]]) 09:59, 18 December 2012 (UTC) | :* '''ALT3''' ... that despite the destruction of its forest habitat, the '''[[Furcifer angeli|Angel's Chameleon]]''' has adapted to life near roads and villages? [[User:Cwmhiraeth|Cwmhiraeth]] ([[User talk:Cwmhiraeth|talk]]) 09:59, 18 December 2012 (UTC) | ||
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| + | *[[File:Symbol redirect vote4.png|16px]] Reviewer(s) needed for these as individual articles. Please make sure each is individually graded with its own icon. Striking all hooks but the three ALTs for clarity. [[User:BlueMoonset|BlueMoonset]] ([[User talk:BlueMoonset|talk]]) 19:26, 19 December 2012 (UTC) | ||
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... that Angel's Chameleon and the Rainforest Chameleon are both endemic to Madagascar?
Created/expanded by Thine Antique Pen (talk). Self nom at 12:00, 11 November 2012 (UTC)
The hook is not interesting or surprising; lots of animals are endemic to the country in which they are found. Can a better hook be found? Sasata (talk) 21:28, 30 November 2012 (UTC)
- The two articles are different. I have two hooks, each one for each article:
- For Angel's Chameleon:
... that the Angel's Chameleon is a "drably coloured" version of the Panther Chameleon? - For Rainforest Chameleon:
... that the green-coloured Rainforest Chameleon is endangered?
- For Angel's Chameleon:
- Hope it helps. — ΛΧΣ21™ 06:06, 1 December 2012 (UTC)
- The two articles are different. I have two hooks, each one for each article:
The proposed Rainforest Chameleon hook is not adequately supported by the source. Indeed, the first two sentences of the Description section are dubious not only because they start "In some species", which seems to contradict the article being about a single species called Furcifer balteatus. Worse, the sources are pictures without description, making these descriptions creations of the author here, who can have no idea whether these are representative pictures (that is, typical of how the chameleon, which may well change color a lot, looks), and these sites warn that the photographer's identification hasn't actually been confirmed by experts. So we have no secondary reliable source for "green". For the Angel's Chameleon, this description was from an arbitrary photographer rather than from the official description/identification of the species based on a nighttime photograph (rather than its appearance during the day), so I have to wonder how accurate it is. I'm not sure, though, that a "according to amateur photographer John Sullivan, Angel's Chameleon is a "drably coloured" version of the Panther Chameleon?" hook would fly. If there isn't going to be an effort to come up with interesting, accurate hooks—together or apart—for these articles, then we should probably let them go. BlueMoonset (talk) 22:33, 17 December 2012 (UTC)
... that the Rainforest Chameleon is to be highly desirable in the pet trade?... that despite having a natural habitat of forests, the Angel's Chameleon can be found near roads and human habitations?- Thine Antique Pen (talk) 23:26, 17 December 2012 (UTC)
- Bluemoonset makes good points here. I have found a licensed image and done some expansion of Furcifer balteatus. It is difficult to find a suitable interesting single hook for these two chameleon species so I suggest the nomination is split. The hook for Furcifer balteatus could be:
- ALT1 ... that forest degradation and illegal exports threaten the survival of the Rainforest Chameleon? Cwmhiraeth (talk) 07:32, 18 December 2012 (UTC)
- For the Furcifer angeli article the hook could be:
- ALT2 ... that despite the destruction of its forest habitat, the Angel's Chameleon has adapted to life in the vicinity of humans?
- or
- ALT3 ... that despite the destruction of its forest habitat, the Angel's Chameleon has adapted to life near roads and villages? Cwmhiraeth (talk) 09:59, 18 December 2012 (UTC)
Reviewer(s) needed for these as individual articles. Please make sure each is individually graded with its own icon. Striking all hooks but the three ALTs for clarity. BlueMoonset (talk) 19:26, 19 December 2012 (UTC)