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| − | * ... that '''[[Hans Raj (approver)|Hans Raj]]''' organised a meeting at [[Jallianwala Bagh]] on 13 April 1919 and escaped the [[Jallianwala Bagh massacre]]? <small>The meeting that day...had been arranged by a man named Hans Raj[https://books.google.co.uk/books?redir_esc=y&id=Mk7ptwEACAAJ&q=satypal#v=onepage&q=Hans%20Raj&f=false] who later escaped[https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=bziIDwAAQBAJ&printsec=frontcover&dq=satya+pal+1919&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjS3Jj3xbHkAhVMSsAKHUBWAGoQ6AEIKDAA#v=snippet&q=hans&f=false]</small> | + | * ... <s>that '''[[Hans Raj (approver)|Hans Raj]]''' organised a meeting at [[Jallianwala Bagh]] on 13 April 1919 and escaped the [[Jallianwala Bagh massacre]]? <small>The meeting that day...had been arranged by a man named Hans Raj[https://books.google.co.uk/books?redir_esc=y&id=Mk7ptwEACAAJ&q=satypal#v=onepage&q=Hans%20Raj&f=false] who later escaped[https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=bziIDwAAQBAJ&printsec=frontcover&dq=satya+pal+1919&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjS3Jj3xbHkAhVMSsAKHUBWAGoQ6AEIKDAA#v=snippet&q=hans&f=false]</small></s> |
** '''ALT1''':... that in 1919, Indian revolutionaries [[Satyapal]] and [[Saifuddin Kitchlew]] were convicted on the evidence given by '''[[Hans Raj (approver)|Hans Raj]]'''? <small>[https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=bziIDwAAQBAJ&printsec=frontcover&dq=satya+pal+1919&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjS3Jj3xbHkAhVMSsAKHUBWAGoQ6AEIKDAA#v=onepage&q=Satyapal%20&f=false]</small> | ** '''ALT1''':... that in 1919, Indian revolutionaries [[Satyapal]] and [[Saifuddin Kitchlew]] were convicted on the evidence given by '''[[Hans Raj (approver)|Hans Raj]]'''? <small>[https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=bziIDwAAQBAJ&printsec=frontcover&dq=satya+pal+1919&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjS3Jj3xbHkAhVMSsAKHUBWAGoQ6AEIKDAA#v=onepage&q=Satyapal%20&f=false]</small> | ||
| − | **'''ALT2'''...'''[[Hans Raj (approver)|Hans Raj]]''' has been described as a "pariah of fortune", "a man of no character" and a "rudderless youth of an extremely dubious character".<small>[https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=bziIDwAAQBAJ&printsec=frontcover&dq=satya+pal+1919&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjS3Jj3xbHkAhVMSsAKHUBWAGoQ6AEIKDAA#v=snippet&q=hans&f=false], [https://archive.org/details/in.ernet.dli.2015.15881/page/n145]</small> | + | **<s>'''ALT2'''...'''[[Hans Raj (approver)|Hans Raj]]''' has been described as a "pariah of fortune", "a man of no character" and a "rudderless youth of an extremely dubious character".<small>[https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=bziIDwAAQBAJ&printsec=frontcover&dq=satya+pal+1919&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjS3Jj3xbHkAhVMSsAKHUBWAGoQ6AEIKDAA#v=snippet&q=hans&f=false], [https://archive.org/details/in.ernet.dli.2015.15881/page/n145]</small></s> |
:* ''Reviewed'': [[Template:Did you know nominations/Alexander Gillies|Alexander Gillies]] | :* ''Reviewed'': [[Template:Did you know nominations/Alexander Gillies|Alexander Gillies]] | ||
<small>Created by [[User:Whispyhistory|Whispyhistory]] ([[User talk:Whispyhistory|talk]]) and [[User:Philafrenzy|Philafrenzy]] ([[User talk:Philafrenzy|talk]]). Nominated by [[User:Whispyhistory|Whispyhistory]] ([[User talk:Whispyhistory|talk]]) at 11:01, 15 December 2019 (UTC).</small> | <small>Created by [[User:Whispyhistory|Whispyhistory]] ([[User talk:Whispyhistory|talk]]) and [[User:Philafrenzy|Philafrenzy]] ([[User talk:Philafrenzy|talk]]). Nominated by [[User:Whispyhistory|Whispyhistory]] ([[User talk:Whispyhistory|talk]]) at 11:01, 15 December 2019 (UTC).</small> | ||
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| − | |comments = *'''ALT3'''... that to this day it is not known if '''[[Hans Raj (approver)|Hans Raj]]''', who turned state's witness for the [[British Raj]], had been a police agent all along? (Requires inline citation which is presently lacking.) | + | |comments = *<s>'''ALT3'''... that to this day it is not known if '''[[Hans Raj (approver)|Hans Raj]]''', who turned state's witness for the [[British Raj]], had been a police agent all along? (Requires inline citation which is presently lacking.)</s> |
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::Thanks for reviewing {{reply|Havradim}}....I don't mind which hook, although ALT2 I thought might work. Everyone appears to agree he was suspicious. I tweaked yours a little to make Alt3a. Someone may have an alternative suggestion. | ::Thanks for reviewing {{reply|Havradim}}....I don't mind which hook, although ALT2 I thought might work. Everyone appears to agree he was suspicious. I tweaked yours a little to make Alt3a. Someone may have an alternative suggestion. | ||
| − | ::'''ALT3a'''...Historians have disputed whether '''[[Hans Raj (approver)|Hans Raj]]''', who turned state's witness for the [[British Raj]], had been a police agent all along? <small>Hans Raj’s role, however, is contested history. Some Indian historians have argued that Jallianwala Bagh was a planned massacre, alleging that Hans Raj was a British spy who collaborated with Dyer, who wanted to punish Indians for the violence that had preceded the massacre ... Most British historians, however, either make little mention of Hans Raj or play down his role in the incident...Most popular retellings of the incident—school textbooks...etc.. or films and documentaries—simply omit Hans Raj[https://caravanmagazine.in/perspectives/what-we-chose-not-remember-centenary-jallianwala-bagh]…believed by some historians that Hans Raj was in league with local police[https://books.google.co.uk/books?redir_esc=y&id=Mk7ptwEACAAJ&q=satypal#v=onepage&q=Hans%20Raj&f=false]</small> [[User:Whispyhistory|Whispyhistory]] ([[User talk:Whispyhistory|talk]]) 13:08, 20 December 2019 (UTC) | + | ::<s>'''ALT3a'''...Historians have disputed whether '''[[Hans Raj (approver)|Hans Raj]]''', who turned state's witness for the [[British Raj]], had been a police agent all along?</s> <small>Hans Raj’s role, however, is contested history. Some Indian historians have argued that Jallianwala Bagh was a planned massacre, alleging that Hans Raj was a British spy who collaborated with Dyer, who wanted to punish Indians for the violence that had preceded the massacre ... Most British historians, however, either make little mention of Hans Raj or play down his role in the incident...Most popular retellings of the incident—school textbooks...etc.. or films and documentaries—simply omit Hans Raj[https://caravanmagazine.in/perspectives/what-we-chose-not-remember-centenary-jallianwala-bagh]…believed by some historians that Hans Raj was in league with local police[https://books.google.co.uk/books?redir_esc=y&id=Mk7ptwEACAAJ&q=satypal#v=onepage&q=Hans%20Raj&f=false]</small>[[User:Whispyhistory|Whispyhistory]] ([[User talk:Whispyhistory|talk]]) 13:08, 20 December 2019 (UTC) |
:::Thanks for adding inline citations {{u|Whispyhistory}}. I will do some further tweaking to add more accurate terminology: | :::Thanks for adding inline citations {{u|Whispyhistory}}. I will do some further tweaking to add more accurate terminology: | ||
:::'''ALT3b'''...that historians have not concluded whether '''[[Hans Raj (approver)|Hans Raj]]''' turned [[Turn state's evidence|state's evidence]] for the [[British Raj]], or if he had been a police agent all along? | :::'''ALT3b'''...that historians have not concluded whether '''[[Hans Raj (approver)|Hans Raj]]''' turned [[Turn state's evidence|state's evidence]] for the [[British Raj]], or if he had been a police agent all along? | ||
| − | :::[[File:Symbol voting keep.svg|16px]] I think ALT2 leaves too much to the imagination without framing what the subject was all about. At least as far as I am concerned, ALT3b is good to go. [[User:Havradim|Havradim]] ([[User talk:Havradim|talk]]) 13:44, 20 December 2019 (UTC) | + | :::[[File:Symbol voting keep.svg|16px]] I think ALT2 leaves too much to the imagination without framing what the subject was all about. At least as far as I am concerned, ALT3b is good to go. ALT1 would be my second choice. [[User:Havradim|Havradim]] ([[User talk:Havradim|talk]]) 13:44, 20 December 2019 (UTC) |
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that Hans Raj organised a meeting at Jallianwala Bagh on 13 April 1919 and escaped the Jallianwala Bagh massacre? The meeting that day...had been arranged by a man named Hans Raj[1] who later escaped[2]
- Reviewed: Alexander Gillies
Created by Whispyhistory (talk) and Philafrenzy (talk). Nominated by Whispyhistory (talk) at 11:01, 15 December 2019 (UTC).
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- Thanks for reviewing Template:Reply....I don't mind which hook, although ALT2 I thought might work. Everyone appears to agree he was suspicious. I tweaked yours a little to make Alt3a. Someone may have an alternative suggestion.
ALT3a...Historians have disputed whether Hans Raj, who turned state's witness for the British Raj, had been a police agent all along?Hans Raj’s role, however, is contested history. Some Indian historians have argued that Jallianwala Bagh was a planned massacre, alleging that Hans Raj was a British spy who collaborated with Dyer, who wanted to punish Indians for the violence that had preceded the massacre ... Most British historians, however, either make little mention of Hans Raj or play down his role in the incident...Most popular retellings of the incident—school textbooks...etc.. or films and documentaries—simply omit Hans Raj[6]…believed by some historians that Hans Raj was in league with local police[7]Whispyhistory (talk) 13:08, 20 December 2019 (UTC)- Thanks for adding inline citations Template:U. I will do some further tweaking to add more accurate terminology:
- ALT3b...that historians have not concluded whether Hans Raj turned state's evidence for the British Raj, or if he had been a police agent all along?
I think ALT2 leaves too much to the imagination without framing what the subject was all about. At least as far as I am concerned, ALT3b is good to go. ALT1 would be my second choice. Havradim (talk) 13:44, 20 December 2019 (UTC)