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:::*[[File:Symbol question.svg|16px]] I've struck ALT1 because it is indeed too long (well over the 200 absolute max for DYK), and ALT3 based on the objections of Gaia Octavia Agrippa. Can I suggest ALT4, a variant of ALT3 that might be even more "hooky" ("but" could be "though" if you'd prefer, or it could be "but in New Zealand rather than England"), and makes it clear she isn't an English bishop? [[User:BlueMoonset|BlueMoonset]] ([[User talk:BlueMoonset|talk]]) 05:58, 6 December 2014 (UTC)
 
:::*[[File:Symbol question.svg|16px]] I've struck ALT1 because it is indeed too long (well over the 200 absolute max for DYK), and ALT3 based on the objections of Gaia Octavia Agrippa. Can I suggest ALT4, a variant of ALT3 that might be even more "hooky" ("but" could be "though" if you'd prefer, or it could be "but in New Zealand rather than England"), and makes it clear she isn't an English bishop? [[User:BlueMoonset|BlueMoonset]] ([[User talk:BlueMoonset|talk]]) 05:58, 6 December 2014 (UTC)
 
::::*'''ALT4''': ... that '''[[Helen-Ann Hartley]]''' is the first female [[Church of England]] priest to [[Ordination of women in the Anglican Communion|become a bishop]], but not in England?
 
::::*'''ALT4''': ... that '''[[Helen-Ann Hartley]]''' is the first female [[Church of England]] priest to [[Ordination of women in the Anglican Communion|become a bishop]], but not in England?
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:::::I like ALT4 and agree it is more hooky that the others. But, she the first woman <u>ordained</u> into the CofE to become a bishop. That's an important distinction because there may have been women ordained into other churches in the Anglican Communion who have worked as priests in the CofE (as part of an exchange say) who have become bishops in there home churches. [[User:Gaia Octavia Agrippa|Gaia Octavia Agrippa]]<sup> [[User talk:Gaia Octavia Agrippa|Talk]]</sup>  17:10, 6 December 2014 (UTC)
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:::::'''ALT5''': ... that '''[[Helen-Ann Hartley]]''' is the first female to be ordained in the [[Church of England]] to [[Ordination of women in the Anglican Communion|become a bishop]], but not in England?
  
 
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Helen-Ann Hartley

Created by Gaia Octavia Agrippa (talk). Self nominated at 11:26, 5 December 2014 (UTC).

  • Symbol confirmed.svg Length, date, sources, neutrality, originality, QPQ, and hook verified. As for the wording of the hook, I'd recommend this compromise between the versions:
Her notability is clear enough in this version, and readers can consult the article for further explanation.--Lemuellio (talk) 21:38, 5 December 2014 (UTC)
The trouble is that she wasn't a working with the Church of England when she got elected bishop. So ALT3 is misleading in suggesting she was. She became a bishop outside of the C of E which is what I was trying to get across. Does that make sense? Or maybe I'm just being picky! Gaia Octavia Agrippa Talk 22:23, 5 December 2014 (UTC)
  • Symbol question.svg I've struck ALT1 because it is indeed too long (well over the 200 absolute max for DYK), and ALT3 based on the objections of Gaia Octavia Agrippa. Can I suggest ALT4, a variant of ALT3 that might be even more "hooky" ("but" could be "though" if you'd prefer, or it could be "but in New Zealand rather than England"), and makes it clear she isn't an English bishop? BlueMoonset (talk) 05:58, 6 December 2014 (UTC)
I like ALT4 and agree it is more hooky that the others. But, she the first woman ordained into the CofE to become a bishop. That's an important distinction because there may have been women ordained into other churches in the Anglican Communion who have worked as priests in the CofE (as part of an exchange say) who have become bishops in there home churches. Gaia Octavia Agrippa Talk 17:10, 6 December 2014 (UTC)
ALT5: ... that Helen-Ann Hartley is the first female to be ordained in the Church of England to become a bishop, but not in England?