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Helicia glabriflora - foliage

• ... that there are around 100 species of Helicia (H. glabriflora pictured) found from Sri Lanka and China to Australia?

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5x expanded by Macropneuma (talk), Casliber (talk). Nominated by Casliber (talk) at 09:30, 22 April 2013 (UTC).

16pxGreat job on the article. Out of curiosity, did you mean to say India instead of Sri Lanka? I'm not seeing the words "Sri Lanka" anywhere in the article, but many references to the Indian subcontinent. If you put an inline cite in for Sri Lanka or replace Sri Lanka with India it gets my stamp of approval. Picture looks good to me. Rufous-crowned Sparrow (talk) 00:23, 24 April 2013 (UTC)

Yay! Thanks. I'm grateful, particularly for the good pick up and detective work. I’ll get onto that point now. Sources exist also for the few Sri Lanka occurrences of one endemic (or more?) Helicia species, but so far i missed giving those sentences and the Sri Lankan & Indian listed species their explicit citations. Although old, in 1956, the easiest source to appreciate and to freely access on the internet is the Helicia biogeography map and its explanatory caption here (note Ceylon→Sri Lanka), in Flora Malesiana. I'm in the process of obtaining additional higher quality reference sources for the Indian subcontinent, and parts of SE Asia. Later, there’s much more to add to this article from present and additional sources. Especially, additional missing currently accepted species names (not synonyms), which i have yet to confirm their accepted status and get all their good old ref. sources. —--macropneuma 01:33, 24 April 2013 (UTC)

Done! By the way can we alter the hook line to include New Guinea please? (–as the centre of diversity in the World. With or without its wikilink.) —--macropneuma 04:48, 24 April 2013 (UTC)

Sure. Propose an alternate hook below (with wikilinks I think) and I'll give it a look. Thanks. Rufous-crowned Sparrow (talk) 05:24, 24 April 2013 (UTC)

• Alt 1 ... that approximately 100 species of Helicia trees (H. glabriflora pictured) grow from New Guinea and Australia to Japan, China and Sri Lanka?

While i'm proposing i thought of some more improvements in this alternative above, in my terms. Options i think of instead of "around": (nothing simply: 100), "ca." preferred but is that commonly known, "about", "approx." or "approximately". —--macropneuma 06:38, 24 April 2013 (UTC) —Correcting *our* typos and a little more clarifying.—--macropneuma 10:46, 24 April 2013 (UTC)

16px for Alt 1. I slipped approximately into Alt 2, though I'd also approve "about" if you prefer. Inline citing looks good. Not certain about wikilinking countries, but the final guy will know. Good work. Rufous-crowned Sparrow (talk) 15:02, 24 April 2013 (UTC)

Thanks, reads and sounds good to me. By the way New Guinea … a minor side point for interest, countries or islands or island subcontinents—<my happy smile>—it’s all the same to me in this context! The only question will be is it acceptable to have an additional wikilink in the hook, of that main geographic region, subtly implying that that’s the centre of diversity, which readers will find later? For your edification though, New Guinea means the whole island subcontinent, including Papua New Guinea and West Papua (region) (Indonesia – (occupying) nationality at the moment – controversially).

New Guinea works well as the name—of that unique region; works well as rising above the in fact atrocious politics of occupation and the mass open cut mining corporations, controversies; works well as the mainstream biogeographic science way. See at the dab: Papua, WP has wording troubles cause of this politics and Indonesian WP editors vs. different ed’s.

Then there’s the useful word Papuasia—used in scholarly botany and zoology studies—but i haven't found any supporting WP articles or use of Papuasia in WP. Papuasia, as you probably know, refers to the wider region, including northern Australia and SW Pacific, centred on the New Guinea island (versus the partly overlapping Malesia region, centred west of New Guinea). 'Nice if we could use Papuasia instead of New Guinea. Phew! I know your great works on birds, so i’m relating with biogeography extra words and clarification! (2:25am) 'night! —--macropneuma 16:24, 24 April 2013 (UTC)

Off topic (for instance: List_of_Tulostoma_species, List of Ericaceae genera and many more lists and great articles with lists. Yay! for Circeus)
Template:Rpa -68.107.137.178 (talk) 10:35, 26 April 2013 (UTC) Template:Rpa Of course, this recent 'start' article has much more expansion yet to come, from the sources; reference sources get added first then later the prose gets expanded, from those sources; about 100 species with only about 100 refs is a well done small number. —--macropneuma 12:18, 26 April 2013 (UTC)

• This article has a lot of problems and should not go on the front page while suffering serious problems and ownership issues. DYK is not closed, and DYKs require community consensus. Ownership issues prevent community consensus. -166.137.210.34 (talk) 18:16, 26 April 2013 (UTC)

• ? - can you please raise specific issues on the article talk page. Casliber (talk · contribs) 21:12, 26 April 2013 (UTC)