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imported>Gerda Arendt
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:::: {{ping|Gerda Arendt}} I've gone ahead and replaced the image; if the promoter doesn't think this hook is image-worthy that is fine and makes sense, but there's no problem with having it there just in case. :-) ALT2 looks great to me, thank you!--<span style="font-family: AR BERKLEY; text-shadow: 2px 5px 5px gray;">[[User:SkyGazer 512|SkyGazer 512]]</span> <sup><span style="background: linear-gradient(aqua, #d580ff);">[[User talk:SkyGazer 512|My talk page]]</span></sup> 14:01, 22 March 2019 (UTC)
 
:::: {{ping|Gerda Arendt}} I've gone ahead and replaced the image; if the promoter doesn't think this hook is image-worthy that is fine and makes sense, but there's no problem with having it there just in case. :-) ALT2 looks great to me, thank you!--<span style="font-family: AR BERKLEY; text-shadow: 2px 5px 5px gray;">[[User:SkyGazer 512|SkyGazer 512]]</span> <sup><span style="background: linear-gradient(aqua, #d580ff);">[[User talk:SkyGazer 512|My talk page]]</span></sup> 14:01, 22 March 2019 (UTC)
 
::::: [[File:Symbol redirect vote 4.svg|16px]] Fine, lets look for another reviewer then, unless there's a rush. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 14:07, 22 March 2019 (UTC)
 
::::: [[File:Symbol redirect vote 4.svg|16px]] Fine, lets look for another reviewer then, unless there's a rush. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 14:07, 22 March 2019 (UTC)
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I don't really see anything wrong with the bird picture here (though I'm ambivalent as to whether or not this must be an image hook). I also disagree with Gerda regarding the attractiveness of ALT0, and in fact I think ALT0 is better than ALT2; I don't think ALT2 has the same punch (since haws are known for being killers anyway). ALT0/ALT2's hook fact is in a Google Books page that I can't access so I guess we can assume good faith on the information regardless. [[User:Narutolovehinata5|Narutolovehinata5]] <sup>[[User talk:Narutolovehinata5|t]][[Special:Contributions/Narutolovehinata5|c]][[WP:CSD|csd]][[Special:Newpages|new]]</sup> 11:44, 20 April 2019 (UTC)
 
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Pacific baza

Pacific baza
Pacific baza
  • ... that although the generic name of the Pacific baza (pictured) translates to "bird-killer", it is actually a docile and usually unobtrusive species? Source: [1] p. 55, "Both scientific names are drawn from Latin: Aviceda combines avis (bird) with caedere (to kill) - that is, bird-killer, a misnomer; [2] p. 104, "The Pacific Baza is an unobtrusive and docile hawk, usually only obvious during its vocal aerial displays"
    • ALT1:... that the Pacific baza (pictured) has been rumoured to imitate the calls of tree-frogs when hunting, persuading them to return the call? Source: [3] p. 104, "It is said to find tree-frogs by imitating their calls and so inducing them to call back"

5x expanded by SkyGazer 512 (talk). Self-nominated at 02:59, 20 March 2019 (UTC).

Symbol question.svg Interesting birds, on good sources, no copyvio obvious. The image is licensed but not too great in stamp size. Please find a hook that is attractive without image. Being docile, unfortunately, will not "sell" well, and "rumored" is not what I like. "baza" told me nothing, how about saying "Pacific cuckoo-falcon" also? - Suggestion: the images in the article - except the lead image - look too big to be placed easily without sandwiching text. Drop one, perhaps. The on now left would be better right, to make the bird "look in ". --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:09, 22 March 2019 (UTC)
Thank you for the thorough review, Template:U. It is true that the image isn't the best ever, how about this one? I think that would show up better at such a small size. Being docile alone wouldn't sell well, but I found it quite interesting because of the contrast to its generic name, "bird-killer". It's true that ALT1 isn't really a definite fact, I still found it interesting, but I understand if it won't work. The only other thing that I found interesting about the bird is that some specimens held in captivity would not breed without lettuce in their diet, despite the fact that a few decades before there were reports that this bird ate solely meat intentionally and only took in plants by accident. I'm not sure the best way to incorporate this into a hook, however. I could try to search some more or request full access to the hbw article to see if there's anything hooky there. Let me know if you have any particular suggestions.
I don't want to make the hook much longer by adding "also known as the Pacific cuckoo-falcon", if that's what you're suggesting, but I agree we should somehow point out a common name that readers are familiar with. How about something like "that the hawk Pacific baza"? I don't think we should drop any of the images, as they are all quite helpful for illustration to the readers, but I have aligned all of them right and I see that you have made them smaller. Cheers, --SkyGazer 512 My talk page 13:49, 22 March 2019 (UTC)
How's this?
ALT2: ... that the Pacific baza is a docile hawk, although its generic name translates to "bird-killer"? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:54, 22 March 2019 (UTC)
The other image shows better, but will probably still not be taken because we have so many bird images that it has to be outstanding ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:56, 22 March 2019 (UTC)
Template:Ping I've gone ahead and replaced the image; if the promoter doesn't think this hook is image-worthy that is fine and makes sense, but there's no problem with having it there just in case. :-) ALT2 looks great to me, thank you!--SkyGazer 512 My talk page 14:01, 22 March 2019 (UTC)
Symbol redirect vote 4.svg Fine, lets look for another reviewer then, unless there's a rush. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:07, 22 March 2019 (UTC)

I don't really see anything wrong with the bird picture here (though I'm ambivalent as to whether or not this must be an image hook). I also disagree with Gerda regarding the attractiveness of ALT0, and in fact I think ALT0 is better than ALT2; I don't think ALT2 has the same punch (since haws are known for being killers anyway). ALT0/ALT2's hook fact is in a Google Books page that I can't access so I guess we can assume good faith on the information regardless. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 11:44, 20 April 2019 (UTC)