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:It looks like the hook has been corrected to reflect the source better. [[User:Daniel Case|Daniel Case]] ([[User talk:Daniel Case|talk]]) 15:55, 10 October 2014 (UTC)
 
:It looks like the hook has been corrected to reflect the source better. [[User:Daniel Case|Daniel Case]] ([[User talk:Daniel Case|talk]]) 15:55, 10 October 2014 (UTC)
 
::Oh, no! I made a mistake, and I see why it was missed in the first check, no fault of {{u|Daniel Case}}. {{u|HJ Mitchell}} is right! Here is a new version:
 
::Oh, no! I made a mistake, and I see why it was missed in the first check, no fault of {{u|Daniel Case}}. {{u|HJ Mitchell}} is right! Here is a new version:
::* '''ALT2''': ... that [[cardiac imaging]] during '''[[preoperative care]]''' is usually not useful for patients having minor surgeries unrelated to the heart?
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::* '''ALT2''': <s>... that [[cardiac imaging]] during '''[[preoperative care]]''' is usually not useful for patients having minor surgeries unrelated to the heart?</s>
::* '''ALT3''': ... that people who have surgery unrelated to the heart typically do not need [[cardiac imaging]] in their '''[[preoperative care]]'''?
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::* '''ALT3''': <s>... that people who have surgery unrelated to the heart typically do not need [[cardiac imaging]] in their '''[[preoperative care]]'''?</s>
 
::It would have been embarrassing to have let that mistake through. Thanks for catching it. [[User:Bluerasberry|<span style="background:#cedff2;color:#11e">''' Blue Rasberry '''</span>]][[User talk:Bluerasberry|<span style="background:#cedff2;color:#11e">(talk)</span>]] 17:29, 10 October 2014 (UTC)
 
::It would have been embarrassing to have let that mistake through. Thanks for catching it. [[User:Bluerasberry|<span style="background:#cedff2;color:#11e">''' Blue Rasberry '''</span>]][[User talk:Bluerasberry|<span style="background:#cedff2;color:#11e">(talk)</span>]] 17:29, 10 October 2014 (UTC)
 
:::Sorry, but I don't see how this is even remotely interesting. You may as well say "... that people who have brain surgery don't need their ankles x-rayed during preoperative care?" [[User:97198|97198]] ([[User talk:97198|talk]]) 05:58, 11 October 2014 (UTC)
 
:::Sorry, but I don't see how this is even remotely interesting. You may as well say "... that people who have brain surgery don't need their ankles x-rayed during preoperative care?" [[User:97198|97198]] ([[User talk:97198|talk]]) 05:58, 11 October 2014 (UTC)
 
::::{{u|97198}} Yes, you understand the situation, because that is what is happening. [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Preoperative_care&diff=629172245&oldid=629064161 I added content to the article] which suggests as much, but the sources do not say this outright and instead just say that the procedure is "overused". What is certain is that doctors, seemingly for no reason in published sources, are stating completely obvious things like "Do not do this procedure for no reason". There is data which says that the procedure is done for no reason, and statements by experts saying do not do the procedure for no reason, but the interesting fact that you want - "Doctors do things for no reason, therefore they should quit" is not published outright because the problem is too troublesome to admit in that way. The best I can do is close to what you say, "people who have brain surgery don't need their ankles x-rayed", because that is what reliable sources report. It is only interesting in the sense that experts say it this way. [[User:Bluerasberry|<span style="background:#cedff2;color:#11e">''' Blue Rasberry '''</span>]][[User talk:Bluerasberry|<span style="background:#cedff2;color:#11e">(talk)</span>]] 13:20, 11 October 2014 (UTC)
 
::::{{u|97198}} Yes, you understand the situation, because that is what is happening. [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Preoperative_care&diff=629172245&oldid=629064161 I added content to the article] which suggests as much, but the sources do not say this outright and instead just say that the procedure is "overused". What is certain is that doctors, seemingly for no reason in published sources, are stating completely obvious things like "Do not do this procedure for no reason". There is data which says that the procedure is done for no reason, and statements by experts saying do not do the procedure for no reason, but the interesting fact that you want - "Doctors do things for no reason, therefore they should quit" is not published outright because the problem is too troublesome to admit in that way. The best I can do is close to what you say, "people who have brain surgery don't need their ankles x-rayed", because that is what reliable sources report. It is only interesting in the sense that experts say it this way. [[User:Bluerasberry|<span style="background:#cedff2;color:#11e">''' Blue Rasberry '''</span>]][[User talk:Bluerasberry|<span style="background:#cedff2;color:#11e">(talk)</span>]] 13:20, 11 October 2014 (UTC)
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::::*[[User:Bluerasberry|Bluerasberry]], one of the requirements for DYK is that the hook should {{tq|should include a definite fact that is '''mentioned in the article''' and '''interesting''' to a broad audience}}. As 97198 points out, neither ALT2 nor ALT3 are remotely interesting. Your task, if you wish this nomination to succeed, is to come up with an interesting hook from your article. I think you need to try basing the hook on something other than cardiac imaging. Sometimes articles don't have anything that can be made into an interesting hook, which means they don't qualify to be run at DYK. (Sometimes they slip through anyway, but they shouldn't.) I've sometimes not nominated articles because there weren't any facts that lent themselves to a sufficiently interesting hook. Best of luck. [[User:BlueMoonset|BlueMoonset]] ([[User talk:BlueMoonset|talk]]) 16:38, 18 October 2014 (UTC)
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Preoperative care

Created/expanded by Bluerasberry (talk). Self nominated at 16:51, 3 September 2014 (UTC).

Symbol confirmed.svg Length, history and reference verified. Daniel Case (talk) 04:01, 10 October 2014 (UTC)
  • Symbol possible vote.svg I've re-opened this and puled it from the queue. What the article says is "Cardiac imaging and cardiac stress tests are usually unnecessary for people who do not have a serious heart condition and who are having surgery unrelated to the heart (my emphasis), not that cardiac imaging is unnecessary for minor heart surgery. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 15:42, 10 October 2014 (UTC)
It looks like the hook has been corrected to reflect the source better. Daniel Case (talk) 15:55, 10 October 2014 (UTC)
Oh, no! I made a mistake, and I see why it was missed in the first check, no fault of Template:U. Template:U is right! Here is a new version:
It would have been embarrassing to have let that mistake through. Thanks for catching it. Blue Rasberry (talk) 17:29, 10 October 2014 (UTC)
Sorry, but I don't see how this is even remotely interesting. You may as well say "... that people who have brain surgery don't need their ankles x-rayed during preoperative care?" 97198 (talk) 05:58, 11 October 2014 (UTC)
Template:U Yes, you understand the situation, because that is what is happening. I added content to the article which suggests as much, but the sources do not say this outright and instead just say that the procedure is "overused". What is certain is that doctors, seemingly for no reason in published sources, are stating completely obvious things like "Do not do this procedure for no reason". There is data which says that the procedure is done for no reason, and statements by experts saying do not do the procedure for no reason, but the interesting fact that you want - "Doctors do things for no reason, therefore they should quit" is not published outright because the problem is too troublesome to admit in that way. The best I can do is close to what you say, "people who have brain surgery don't need their ankles x-rayed", because that is what reliable sources report. It is only interesting in the sense that experts say it this way. Blue Rasberry (talk) 13:20, 11 October 2014 (UTC)
  • Bluerasberry, one of the requirements for DYK is that the hook should Template:Tq. As 97198 points out, neither ALT2 nor ALT3 are remotely interesting. Your task, if you wish this nomination to succeed, is to come up with an interesting hook from your article. I think you need to try basing the hook on something other than cardiac imaging. Sometimes articles don't have anything that can be made into an interesting hook, which means they don't qualify to be run at DYK. (Sometimes they slip through anyway, but they shouldn't.) I've sometimes not nominated articles because there weren't any facts that lent themselves to a sufficiently interesting hook. Best of luck. BlueMoonset (talk) 16:38, 18 October 2014 (UTC)