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*****{{ping|buidhe}} do you have time to look into the concern about the article's introduction? Thanks. [[User:Flibirigit|Flibirigit]] ([[User talk:Flibirigit|talk]]) 22:16, 13 November 2020 (UTC) | *****{{ping|buidhe}} do you have time to look into the concern about the article's introduction? Thanks. [[User:Flibirigit|Flibirigit]] ([[User talk:Flibirigit|talk]]) 22:16, 13 November 2020 (UTC) | ||
*[[User:Flibirigit|Flibirigit]] I already fixed it. ([[User talk:Buidhe|t]] · [[Special:Contributions/Buidhe|c]]) '''[[User:buidhe|<span style="color: black">buidhe</span>]]''' 22:21, 13 November 2020 (UTC) | *[[User:Flibirigit|Flibirigit]] I already fixed it. ([[User talk:Buidhe|t]] · [[Special:Contributions/Buidhe|c]]) '''[[User:buidhe|<span style="color: black">buidhe</span>]]''' 22:21, 13 November 2020 (UTC) | ||
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Reception of war criminals
- ... that in the former Yugoslavia, convicted war criminals are glorified as heroes? Source: https://www.dw.com/en/hero-worship-and-villain-worship-in-the-balkans/a-46341120 https://balkaninsight.com/2020/10/12/a-hero-returns-how-freed-war-criminals-are-glorified-in-kosovo/ https://balkaninsight.com/2018/12/27/serbia-unrepentant-war-criminals-enjoy-public-spotlight-12-21-2018/
Created by Buidhe (talk). Self-nominated at 07:30, 14 October 2020 (UTC).
- Given the nature of the subject and the wording of the hook, this nomination probably needs a very close look and perhaps reviews by more than one editor. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 11:30, 16 October 2020 (UTC)
- I will quote sources here. Note, all the news sources are hard news, not opinion pieces:
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- I think with such a controversial hook, either sourcing needs to be given for all current subdivisions of the former Yugoslavia, or the hook needs to be more specific and less expansive. Does this happen in Slovenia, Macedonia, and/or Montenegro? BlueMoonset (talk) 01:16, 22 October 2020 (UTC)
- BlueMoonset: Thanks for your comment. Here is a source for Macedonia[1] (elected to Parliament and called a hero). I can't find any for Slovenia or Montengro, probably because ethnic Slovenes and Montenegrins did not commit as many war crimes, which is why the hook doesn't say "all countries in the former Yugoslavia". It would be possible to focus on the worst offenders, Republika Srpska and Serbia, but I didn't want to be partisan since this also happens in most other ex-Yugoslav countries.
- An alternative would be a hook that doesn't focus on Yugoslavia. But I thought it would be considered an easter egg: (t · c) buidhe 02:06, 22 October 2020 (UTC)

- ALT1 ... that the architect of the Armenian genocide, Talaat Pasha, is buried under a monument dedicated to "heroes of the fatherland"? Source: https://archive-ouverte.unige.ch/unige:104682
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- It is correct that this is a general article. However, articles should not be required to meet the "broadness" criteria of GA to be eligible. I do believe that the article is start class according to the content assessment metric—"Provides some meaningful content, but most readers will need more."—and therefore acceptable for DYK. (t · c) buidhe 17:12, 23 October 2020 (UTC)
Please could we have a second reviewer? I'm not ducking out as reviewer. I'm just supporting the above request that we have more than one reviewer. Thank you. Storye book (talk) 15:41, 23 October 2020 (UTC)
I have considered the comments above, and while there has been an attempt to make a start article, I can foresee arguments against it being a start article since it is somewhat limited in global scope. Is it possible to have at least all six of the populated continents represented on the list? I don't see anything from South America or Africa at this time. Flibirigit (talk) 03:56, 5 November 2020 (UTC)
- I added examples from Latin America and Africa. (t · c) buidhe 04:41, 5 November 2020 (UTC)
- Thanks. Will review tomorrow. Bed time now. Flibirigit (talk) 05:00, 5 November 2020 (UTC)
- I have thought about this overnight and I feel progress has been made, particularly renaming the article since previous comments and expanding the global scope. The introductory paragraph at the moment seems to be weighted towards Yugoslavia, which could be interpeted as not neutral. The proposed ALT0 could be misinterpeted in many ways, so I am leaning towards not recommending it. So far ALT1 is more promising, but I am curious if other hooks could be proposed that use some of the excellent photos. Flibirigit (talk) 16:44, 5 November 2020 (UTC)
- Template:Ping do you have time to look into the concern about the article's introduction? Thanks. Flibirigit (talk) 22:16, 13 November 2020 (UTC)
- I have thought about this overnight and I feel progress has been made, particularly renaming the article since previous comments and expanding the global scope. The introductory paragraph at the moment seems to be weighted towards Yugoslavia, which could be interpeted as not neutral. The proposed ALT0 could be misinterpeted in many ways, so I am leaning towards not recommending it. So far ALT1 is more promising, but I am curious if other hooks could be proposed that use some of the excellent photos. Flibirigit (talk) 16:44, 5 November 2020 (UTC)
- Thanks. Will review tomorrow. Bed time now. Flibirigit (talk) 05:00, 5 November 2020 (UTC)
- I added examples from Latin America and Africa. (t · c) buidhe 04:41, 5 November 2020 (UTC)
- Flibirigit I already fixed it. (t · c) buidhe 22:21, 13 November 2020 (UTC)
- Template:Reviewing Sorry, I was unaware of the updates. I will do a full review now. Flibirigit (talk) 00:08, 14 November 2020 (UTC)