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::This is a routine editorial decision and it won't be affected by anything other than Wikipedia's pillars and neutrality. ''Hic manebimus optime''. --[[User:Nemo_bis|Nemo]] 15:47, 16 February 2014 (UTC)
 
::This is a routine editorial decision and it won't be affected by anything other than Wikipedia's pillars and neutrality. ''Hic manebimus optime''. --[[User:Nemo_bis|Nemo]] 15:47, 16 February 2014 (UTC)
 
::Have you read that WMF blog post? Its spirit is that we should be able to write about notable subjects, according to our usual policies, without being cowed by dubious legal action. <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]</span> (<span class="nickname">Pigsonthewing</span>); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]</span> 17:32, 17 February 2014 (UTC)
 
::Have you read that WMF blog post? Its spirit is that we should be able to write about notable subjects, according to our usual policies, without being cowed by dubious legal action. <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]</span> (<span class="nickname">Pigsonthewing</span>); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]</span> 17:32, 17 February 2014 (UTC)
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*'''ALT5''': ... that the Greek academic and politician '''[[Theodore Katsanevas]]''' has sued a [[Greek Wikipedia]] administrator for [[defamation]] and succeeded in getting a judge to order him to remove the fact that Katsanevas was reportedly named a "disgrace for the family" in the will of his father-in-law, former prime minister [[Andreas Papandreou]]? [[Special:Contributions/24.151.116.25|24.151.116.25]] ([[User talk:24.151.116.25|talk]]) 19:20, 19 February 2014 (UTC)
 
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Theodore Katsanevas

Greek PM Papandreou, whose will called Katsanevas a disgrace

Created by Pigsonthewing (talk). Nominated by Nemo bis (talk) at 16:57, 15 February 2014 (UTC).

  • Symbol possible vote.svg The article is long enough at 1920 characters of prose. The hook is short enough, at 164 characters. The article is new. Only one Two of the English language sources directly cited for the hook uses the word "Disgrace". (I can't review the Greek-language ones.) The SFGate source now links to a completely different story, a better link should be found or the source removed. The DYKcheck tool reports that the article is marked as a stub, although i don't see any stub tag. The Hook is surely interesting. The image in the template is not yet in the article. This can and should be cleaned up enough to pass, but I don't think it passes at the moment. DES (talk) 19:00, 15 February 2014 (UTC)
    Thanks for the review. You're right, the sourcing was improvable and it's now better: there are three sources for the word "disgrace" (hri.org, SFgate, thepressproject; the first being quite "official"); I also added a source for the translation of disgrazia into disgrace, note that Corriere della sera is the most important newspaper of Italy hence there is no better news source possible from Western Europe I'd say. --Nemo 19:45, 15 February 2014 (UTC)
  • A better, free, picture is File:Andreas Papandreou (1968).jpg, but neither is really relevant in the article under review. Another day or two should see plenty of English-language sources emerge. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 19:05, 15 February 2014 (UTC)
    Do you think it's better to remove the image? As Katsanevas says in his reactions to his will referenced in the article, Papandreou played a crucial role in his life and career, it wouldn't be out of place in the article either. [1] could be considered PD if the biography of a prof. is mandated by a law or policy and if universities are considered a branch of the public administration in Greece (commons:Template:PD-GreekGov), but this would need some better research. --Nemo 19:45, 15 February 2014 (UTC)
    I have no opinion on using a picture, but somehow the tomb doesn't seem like a good choice. Any picture used should, i would think, be in the article, or else in another linked article (linked in the hook I mean). I was incorrect about the SFGate source, and I have corrected my comments above. The image and the stub tag if there really is one there, now seem to be the only things holding this up. It would be nice if the article was divided into sections, but it is not big enough for this to be required, in my view. DES (talk) 19:56, 15 February 2014 (UTC)
    The article is no longer a stub. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 20:28, 15 February 2014 (UTC)
    OK, I've divided it in two sections which seem relevant and added the photo in both the article and the proposed DYK above. The stub template has been removed hours ago, perhaps the tool is querying outdated data
    You probably all know what PM stands for? Readers can find out the exact family relationship in the article, don't tell them all.
    ALT2: ... that the Greek politician Theodore Katsanevas was reportedly named a disgrace for the family in the will of former prime minister Andreas Papandreou (pictured)? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:40, 15 February 2014 (UTC)
    ALT3 ... that the Greek politician Theodore Katsanevas was reportedly named a "disgrace for the family" in the will of former prime minister Andreas Papandreou, his father-in-law (pictured)? DES (talk) 20:49, 15 February 2014 (UTC)
  • Symbol confirmed.svg Issues dealt with, QPQ done, image ok, looks good to go as soon as one hook or another is selected. i prefer Alt3, but any would be acceptable. DES (talk) 20:49, 15 February 2014 (UTC)
  • If ALT3, I would move (pictured) behind his name, - it's the person who is pictured, not his family status. Imagine: I don't think the term father-in-law makes the hook more attractive ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:59, 15 February 2014 (UTC)
  • On the placment of "(pictured)" you are correct, it should follow the name. I found ALT2 confusin because it gives no indication of what the relation or connection between Katsanevas and Papandreou is. Part of the point of the hook, to me is that this is in part, a family dispute. So...
ALT4: ... that the Greek politician Theodore Katsanevas was reportedly named a "disgrace for the family" in the will of his father-in-law, former prime minister Andreas Papandreou (pictured)? DES (talk) 23:40, 15 February 2014 (UTC)
  • I'm ok with ALT3 + Gerda's amendment. --Nemo 23:38, 15 February 2014 (UTC) P.s.: That is, with ALT4 above.

Symbol delete vote.svg A reminder: a court hearing related to the subject is going to take place in March 11th WMF blog Greek Wikipedia announcement. It may be provocative for the court to highlight it on the Main Page and focus on this more than it is needed. I suggest to get advice from Michelle Paulson before putting it in the DYK section. -geraki TL 10:41, 16 February 2014 (UTC)

  • Symbol possible vote.svg Correct symbol. The big orange x is for when there is pretty much no way in h*** an article will make it to the MP. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 12:25, 16 February 2014 (UTC)
This is a routine editorial decision and it won't be affected by anything other than Wikipedia's pillars and neutrality. Hic manebimus optime. --Nemo 15:47, 16 February 2014 (UTC)
Have you read that WMF blog post? Its spirit is that we should be able to write about notable subjects, according to our usual policies, without being cowed by dubious legal action. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 17:32, 17 February 2014 (UTC)