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:::::I'm not so sure. The article has been basically inactive for years except for minor edits in April, and JGHowes was the first to edit it on July 2, after which there was a speedy deletion request, a flurry of other edits including a minor cut by another editor, a COI tag placed by JGHowes, and then the big cut mentioned above leaving a single sentence of 90 characters three hours before JGHowes' initial formatting a few minutes after midnight on July 3. The article began growing again less than two hours later. I very much doubt that there was any thought about whether this would qualify for DYK or not, just taking an article that had been gutted after making it active again and giving it some substance. The big problem we have here is that we never did hash out the exact details of the wording after that close, so we're in an ambiguous situation here. I would be inclined to count the beginning as from before the first edit on July 2—so compared with April 27—but I can see the argument for the other way, even if I don't necessarily agree with it. [[User:BlueMoonset|BlueMoonset]] ([[User talk:BlueMoonset|talk]]) 13:52, 28 July 2020 (UTC)  
 
:::::I'm not so sure. The article has been basically inactive for years except for minor edits in April, and JGHowes was the first to edit it on July 2, after which there was a speedy deletion request, a flurry of other edits including a minor cut by another editor, a COI tag placed by JGHowes, and then the big cut mentioned above leaving a single sentence of 90 characters three hours before JGHowes' initial formatting a few minutes after midnight on July 3. The article began growing again less than two hours later. I very much doubt that there was any thought about whether this would qualify for DYK or not, just taking an article that had been gutted after making it active again and giving it some substance. The big problem we have here is that we never did hash out the exact details of the wording after that close, so we're in an ambiguous situation here. I would be inclined to count the beginning as from before the first edit on July 2—so compared with April 27—but I can see the argument for the other way, even if I don't necessarily agree with it. [[User:BlueMoonset|BlueMoonset]] ([[User talk:BlueMoonset|talk]]) 13:52, 28 July 2020 (UTC)  
 
::::::I'd be willing to assume it's completely innocent, definitely. I was wondering about the sudden flurry of activity, too...the first thing I did was check to see if the guy had just died. :D  [[User:Valereee|—valereee]] ([[User talk:Valereee|talk]]) 16:21, 28 July 2020 (UTC)
 
::::::I'd be willing to assume it's completely innocent, definitely. I was wondering about the sudden flurry of activity, too...the first thing I did was check to see if the guy had just died. :D  [[User:Valereee|—valereee]] ([[User talk:Valereee|talk]]) 16:21, 28 July 2020 (UTC)
:::::::I first became aware of this article through correspondence at OTRS concerning [[:C:COM:Deletion requests/Files uploaded by Colomron]], whereupon it emerged that there was a COI issue. I can't go beyond that, and in fact had to change visibility on a couple of the aticle's edits and history. Hence the flurry of activity. Suffice it to say that this resulted in practically all of the article content being deleted by others. At that point, having become involved from my OTRS and admin role, I decided to write a virtually new article meeting Wikipedia's requirements for npov and rs. &mdash; <i><b><small><span style="border:1px solid black;padding:1px;">[[User:JGHowes|<span style="color:white;background:#008000;">&nbsp;JGHowes&nbsp; </span>]]</span></small><span style="color: blue;"> <sup>[[User talk:JGHowes|''talk'']]</sup></span></b></i> 16:35, 28 July 2020 (UTC)
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:::::::I first became aware of this article through correspondence at OTRS concerning [[:C:COM:Deletion requests/Files uploaded by Colomron]], whereupon it emerged that there was a COI issue. I can't go beyond that, and in fact had to change visibility on a couple of the article's edits and history. Hence the flurry of activity. Suffice it to say that this resulted in practically all of the article content being deleted by others. At that point, having become involved from my OTRS and admin role, I decided to write a virtually new article meeting Wikipedia's requirements for npov and rs. &mdash; <i><b><small><span style="border:1px solid black;padding:1px;">[[User:JGHowes|<span style="color:white;background:#008000;">&nbsp;JGHowes&nbsp; </span>]]</span></small><span style="color: blue;"> <sup>[[User talk:JGHowes|''talk'']]</sup></span></b></i> 16:35, 28 July 2020 (UTC)
 
:::::::: Yes, I figured that something like that had occurred. Your explanation is more than satisfactory, and I see no further need to question the eligibility of this nom. [[User:Gatoclass|Gatoclass]] ([[User talk:Gatoclass|talk]]) 16:54, 28 July 2020 (UTC)     
 
:::::::: Yes, I figured that something like that had occurred. Your explanation is more than satisfactory, and I see no further need to question the eligibility of this nom. [[User:Gatoclass|Gatoclass]] ([[User talk:Gatoclass|talk]]) 16:54, 28 July 2020 (UTC)     
  
 
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Truman Taylor

Truman Taylor in 1999
Truman Taylor in 1999

5x expanded by JGHowes (talk). Self-nominated at 01:04, 7 July 2020 (UTC).

  • Symbol possible vote.svg In my view this article is ineligible for DYK because it is too short. It was 2328 characters when the nominator first edited it on 2 July 2020‎ and is now 4609 characters. In between these dates, it was completely rewritten. However, this is just the sort of situation discussed in a recent RfC so pinging Template:Ping who closed that RfC, for her opinion. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 06:09, 28 July 2020 (UTC)
Hm, this is a tricky one. The author did actually arrive at the article just before it got shortened, but just to drop some tags. They didn't start the rewrite until after Template:U had cut it. Pinging Template:U and Template:U —valereee (talk) 10:33, 28 July 2020 (UTC)
If there's no evidence of collaboration between the two editors, and there doesn't seem to be, I think we can AGF that the expansion was begun in good faith after Justlettersandnumbers' reduction. Gatoclass (talk) 13:22, 28 July 2020 (UTC)
I'm not so sure. The article has been basically inactive for years except for minor edits in April, and JGHowes was the first to edit it on July 2, after which there was a speedy deletion request, a flurry of other edits including a minor cut by another editor, a COI tag placed by JGHowes, and then the big cut mentioned above leaving a single sentence of 90 characters three hours before JGHowes' initial formatting a few minutes after midnight on July 3. The article began growing again less than two hours later. I very much doubt that there was any thought about whether this would qualify for DYK or not, just taking an article that had been gutted after making it active again and giving it some substance. The big problem we have here is that we never did hash out the exact details of the wording after that close, so we're in an ambiguous situation here. I would be inclined to count the beginning as from before the first edit on July 2—so compared with April 27—but I can see the argument for the other way, even if I don't necessarily agree with it. BlueMoonset (talk) 13:52, 28 July 2020 (UTC)
I'd be willing to assume it's completely innocent, definitely. I was wondering about the sudden flurry of activity, too...the first thing I did was check to see if the guy had just died. :D —valereee (talk) 16:21, 28 July 2020 (UTC)
I first became aware of this article through correspondence at OTRS concerning C:COM:Deletion requests/Files uploaded by Colomron, whereupon it emerged that there was a COI issue. I can't go beyond that, and in fact had to change visibility on a couple of the article's edits and history. Hence the flurry of activity. Suffice it to say that this resulted in practically all of the article content being deleted by others. At that point, having become involved from my OTRS and admin role, I decided to write a virtually new article meeting Wikipedia's requirements for npov and rs. —  JGHowes  talk 16:35, 28 July 2020 (UTC)
Yes, I figured that something like that had occurred. Your explanation is more than satisfactory, and I see no further need to question the eligibility of this nom. Gatoclass (talk) 16:54, 28 July 2020 (UTC)