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The result was: '''promoted''' by [[User:Hawkeye7|Hawkeye7]] ([[User talk:Hawkeye7|talk]]) 21:44, 7 July 2014 (UTC)<br />
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* <s>... that the [[documentary film]] '''''[[We Were So Beloved]]''''' asks whether survival is an end in itself regarding [[the Holocaust]]?</s>
 
* <s>... that the [[documentary film]] '''''[[We Were So Beloved]]''''' asks whether survival is an end in itself regarding [[the Holocaust]]?</s>
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:* ''Reviewed'': [[Template:Did you know nominations/Mansoor Hosseini|Mansoor Hosseini]]
 
:* ''Reviewed'': [[Template:Did you know nominations/Mansoor Hosseini|Mansoor Hosseini]]
 
<small>Created by [[User:I am One of Many|I am One of Many]] ([[User talk:I am One of Many|talk]]). Self nominated at 00:54, 2 July 2014 (UTC)</small>.
 
<small>Created by [[User:I am One of Many|I am One of Many]] ([[User talk:I am One of Many|talk]]). Self nominated at 00:54, 2 July 2014 (UTC)</small>.
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:* [[File:Symbol question.svg|16px]] New enough. Long enough. QPQ done. NPOV. Dup detector reveals no unavoidable close paraphrasing or copyvios. The sentence "These middle-class survivors of The Holocaust are deeply troubled by guilt that is not theirs." whilst cited, would be better with an explicit attribution to the source, as otherwise it sounds like [[WP:OR]]. The article is well-cited, but the hook fact needs a citation immediately after it in the article. I feel that there might be a better way of expressing the concept in the hook, but I'm struggling to find it! [[User:Edwardx|Edwardx]] ([[User talk:Edwardx|talk]]) 09:19, 4 July 2014 (UTC)
 
:* [[File:Symbol question.svg|16px]] New enough. Long enough. QPQ done. NPOV. Dup detector reveals no unavoidable close paraphrasing or copyvios. The sentence "These middle-class survivors of The Holocaust are deeply troubled by guilt that is not theirs." whilst cited, would be better with an explicit attribution to the source, as otherwise it sounds like [[WP:OR]]. The article is well-cited, but the hook fact needs a citation immediately after it in the article. I feel that there might be a better way of expressing the concept in the hook, but I'm struggling to find it! [[User:Edwardx|Edwardx]] ([[User talk:Edwardx|talk]]) 09:19, 4 July 2014 (UTC)
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:::'''ALT1''': * ... that the documentary film '''''[[We Were So Beloved]]''''' asks, in the aftermath of the [[the Holocaust]], whether survival is an end in itself?
 
:::'''ALT1''': * ... that the documentary film '''''[[We Were So Beloved]]''''' asks, in the aftermath of the [[the Holocaust]], whether survival is an end in itself?
 
::: [[User:I am One of Many|I am One of Many]] ([[User talk:I am One of Many|talk]]) 17:16, 4 July 2014 (UTC)
 
::: [[User:I am One of Many|I am One of Many]] ([[User talk:I am One of Many|talk]]) 17:16, 4 July 2014 (UTC)
:::* [[File:Symbol confirmed.svg|16px]] Thanks. I'm happy with the NYT issue now. And I much prefer ALT1, so I will strike the original, just to avoid the ''wrong'' hook getting promoted. I'm also unlinking "documentary film" as this is a familiar enough concept and linking to it reduces the impact of the article title which follows right afterwards. [[User:Edwardx|Edwardx]] ([[User talk:Edwardx|talk]]) 10:17, 7 July 2014 (UTC)</div></noinclude><!--Please do not write below this line or remove this line. Place comments above this line.-->
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:::* [[File:Symbol confirmed.svg|16px]] Thanks. I'm happy with the NYT issue now. And I much prefer ALT1, so I will strike the original, just to avoid the ''wrong'' hook getting promoted. I'm also unlinking "documentary film" as this is a familiar enough concept and linking to it reduces the impact of the article title which follows right afterwards. [[User:Edwardx|Edwardx]] ([[User talk:Edwardx|talk]]) 10:17, 7 July 2014 (UTC)
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We Were So Beloved

Created by I am One of Many (talk). Self nominated at 00:54, 2 July 2014 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg New enough. Long enough. QPQ done. NPOV. Dup detector reveals no unavoidable close paraphrasing or copyvios. The sentence "These middle-class survivors of The Holocaust are deeply troubled by guilt that is not theirs." whilst cited, would be better with an explicit attribution to the source, as otherwise it sounds like WP:OR. The article is well-cited, but the hook fact needs a citation immediately after it in the article. I feel that there might be a better way of expressing the concept in the hook, but I'm struggling to find it! Edwardx (talk) 09:19, 4 July 2014 (UTC)
  • First, thanks for the careful review!. The "These middle-class survivors of The Holocaust are deeply troubled by guilt that is not theirs." is my rephrasing of this statement "often haunted by a guilt that wasn't theirs" in the NYT article. I think it is crucial I think my rewrite captures the essence of what the reviewer is trying to say without directly quoting him. If you think there is a better way to capture his meaning, I would by happy to redo the sentence. I also added the source right after the question in the article. The hook is phrased a bit awkwardly, so what do you think about ALT1 below?
ALT1: * ... that the documentary film We Were So Beloved asks, in the aftermath of the the Holocaust, whether survival is an end in itself?
I am One of Many (talk) 17:16, 4 July 2014 (UTC)
  • Symbol confirmed.svg Thanks. I'm happy with the NYT issue now. And I much prefer ALT1, so I will strike the original, just to avoid the wrong hook getting promoted. I'm also unlinking "documentary film" as this is a familiar enough concept and linking to it reduces the impact of the article title which follows right afterwards. Edwardx (talk) 10:17, 7 July 2014 (UTC)