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:::::* Yes, but does that square in this case with the criterion that the hook must be 'interesting'? In fact '''alt1''' is just incomprehensible to people who 1) don't know that the WMM is from the X-Files and 2) are confronted with the tortuous phrase 'had his suicide contemplated for him'? I agree that playfulness is an asset, but not I think when it treads close to opaqueness. Then instead of being 'interesting' the hook becomes just annoying. You owe it to readers to give them some clue as to what you are on about. --[[User:Smerus|Smerus ]] ([[User talk:Smerus|talk]]) 11:16, 10 January 2012 (UTC)
 
:::::* Yes, but does that square in this case with the criterion that the hook must be 'interesting'? In fact '''alt1''' is just incomprehensible to people who 1) don't know that the WMM is from the X-Files and 2) are confronted with the tortuous phrase 'had his suicide contemplated for him'? I agree that playfulness is an asset, but not I think when it treads close to opaqueness. Then instead of being 'interesting' the hook becomes just annoying. You owe it to readers to give them some clue as to what you are on about. --[[User:Smerus|Smerus ]] ([[User talk:Smerus|talk]]) 11:16, 10 January 2012 (UTC)
 
::::::*While I feel you might be underestimating readers (you may be right in the second hook not being obviously discernible as a play on the phrase "to contemplate suicide, but I don't feel that every fictional entity needs to be identified with its parent work right up front), how about another alt instead. '''Alt3''': ... that the '''[[Well-Manicured Man]]''' served as the "voice of reason" amongst ''[[The X-Files]]''{{'}} antagonists?" [[User:Grapple X|<span style="color:#556655"><small>'''GRAPPLE'''</small></span>]] [[User talk:Grapple X|<span style="color:#556655"><small>'''X'''</small></span>]] 13:03, 10 January 2012 (UTC)
 
::::::*While I feel you might be underestimating readers (you may be right in the second hook not being obviously discernible as a play on the phrase "to contemplate suicide, but I don't feel that every fictional entity needs to be identified with its parent work right up front), how about another alt instead. '''Alt3''': ... that the '''[[Well-Manicured Man]]''' served as the "voice of reason" amongst ''[[The X-Files]]''{{'}} antagonists?" [[User:Grapple X|<span style="color:#556655"><small>'''GRAPPLE'''</small></span>]] [[User talk:Grapple X|<span style="color:#556655"><small>'''X'''</small></span>]] 13:03, 10 January 2012 (UTC)
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:::::::*[[File:Symbol confirmed.svg|16px]]'''Alt3''': ... that the '''[[Well-Manicured Man]]''' served as the "voice of reason" amongst ''[[The X-Files]]''{{'}} antagonists?" seems AOK to me in all respects--[[User:Smerus|Smerus ]] ([[User talk:Smerus|talk]]) 13:09, 10 January 2012 (UTC)
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Well-Manicured Man

Created/expanded by Grapple X (talk). Self nom at 09:34, 7 January 2012 (UTC)

  • Symbol question.svg Article length, expansion and age are OK, I see no problems with source or copyvio, but....content is not accurate - citation in article does not say that WMM 'calls to mind the works of Wagner', only that one critic has called his monologue 'a Wagnerian demonstration of the art of declamation' (whatever that may mean) - Try a different hook?--Smerus (talk) 15:59, 9 January 2012 (UTC)
  • "Calls to mind the works of Wagner" is just a paraphrasing of his delivery being called "Wagnerian", but if citations have to be that precise then what about Alt1: ... that the Well-Manicured Man had his suicide contemplated for him?" GRAPPLE X 17:47, 9 January 2012 (UTC)
  • That's precisely what I mean, but I've never found hooks that are just copied-and-pasted from an article to be interesting; I prefer to use something which is playful or snappy while still accurate to the sources. GRAPPLE X 22:27, 9 January 2012 (UTC)
  • Yes, but does that square in this case with the criterion that the hook must be 'interesting'? In fact alt1 is just incomprehensible to people who 1) don't know that the WMM is from the X-Files and 2) are confronted with the tortuous phrase 'had his suicide contemplated for him'? I agree that playfulness is an asset, but not I think when it treads close to opaqueness. Then instead of being 'interesting' the hook becomes just annoying. You owe it to readers to give them some clue as to what you are on about. --Smerus (talk) 11:16, 10 January 2012 (UTC)
  • While I feel you might be underestimating readers (you may be right in the second hook not being obviously discernible as a play on the phrase "to contemplate suicide, but I don't feel that every fictional entity needs to be identified with its parent work right up front), how about another alt instead. Alt3: ... that the Well-Manicured Man served as the "voice of reason" amongst The X-Files' antagonists?" GRAPPLE X 13:03, 10 January 2012 (UTC)