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Geology of North America
- ... that the North American continent has one shield but many orogens?
- Comment: Hook not directly sourced, but in context of all the sources used. It is a broad overview article which deserves a broad hook. But I'm open for suggestions :)
Created by Al Climbs (talk). Nominated by Tobias1984 (talk) at 06:58, 21 April 2013 (UTC).
- The hook is not only "not directly sourced," it's not included in the article. It is contradicted by a caption, also. "The Canadian Shield can be seen on a map showing only metamorphic rocks. The shield is the large brown area in the northeast of the continent. A similar structure can also be seen with different rock types." A structure similar to a shield, or a similar structure, meaning another shield? This article has many other problems. However, if the hook is not only "not directly sourced," but does not appear anywhere in the article, that is a big front-page no no. The paragraph about the Canadian shield is also difficult to follow, and the title headings are confusing in this area. -68.107.137.178 (talk) 10:42, 26 April 2013 (UTC)
- Thank you for taking the time to review the article. The caption didn't contradict the hook, but was was a little too much jargon on my behalf. I reworded it. How does the hook "DYK that the Canadian Shield is the largest outcrop of metamorphic rocks on the North American continent" sound? I'm still going to look through the headlines and see if they are coherent. --Tobias1984 (talk) 11:23, 26 April 2013 (UTC)
- I can't find that in the article, can you link to the appropriate section? -68.107.137.178 (talk) 23:16, 27 April 2013 (UTC)
There is some strange original research in this article; it does not belong on the main page. -68.107.137.178 (talk) 04:08, 1 May 2013 (UTC)
- If you can't point out the sentences, then it is probably not a valid criticism of this article. --Tobias1984 (talk) 21:11, 1 May 2013 (UTC)
- I have pointed out specifics, you just say I didn't instead of addressing them. Another editor just reverts. Article improvement sure isn't wanted, just a score! And I though it was an encyclopedia, not a playground. -198.228.216.153 (talk) 07:04, 2 May 2013 (UTC)
- I am sorry, but I don't know where you pointed out a specific list of sentences that you think are OR. Can you post them here? --Tobias1984 (talk) 07:21, 2 May 2013 (UTC)
- I am sorry, but I don't know where I said I pointed out a specific list of sentences that I think are OR. Can you post my comment here? This article is badly written, disorganized, confusing, contradictory, and it's owned by editors who are currently running random googlesearches to try to figure out an outline as they use a book they don't have and an obscure and unavailable book in German as the recommended reading for the article. It should not go on the main page. Wikipedia discredits itself too easily with bad articles on the main page, I template them, then someone gets irritated that an article with a template is on the main page, so I get told to work on them before they go on the main page, but DYK editors only welcome rubber stamps. I am far more irritated when bad science is paraded on the main page than anyone should be irritated that the bad science is pointed out to the world--it's better to spread it? So, Tobias, continue shooting the messengers. Not much I can do to stop that, when people with knowledge in specific areas are held in such deep disdain by people who are capable of doing multiple google searches and distilling that information into articles. Google away -68.107.137.178 (talk) 08:34, 5 May 2013 (UTC)
- Are you actually reading the things you are writing here? You are criticizing everything about the article, but you can't point out a single section that needs improvement? The article has 42 sources and your accusing the author of "running random google searches"? Your calling a book "obscure" just because it is written in a language that you can't read? I nominated this lemma, because the author put a lot of work into it. It is simply unjust of you to write such accusations out of the safety of anonymity. And it seems you are doing everything out of spite: Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions/Archive_100#Participating_in_DYK. --Tobias1984 (talk) 16:20, 6 May 2013 (UTC)
- I am sorry, but I don't know where I said I pointed out a specific list of sentences that I think are OR. Can you post my comment here? This article is badly written, disorganized, confusing, contradictory, and it's owned by editors who are currently running random googlesearches to try to figure out an outline as they use a book they don't have and an obscure and unavailable book in German as the recommended reading for the article. It should not go on the main page. Wikipedia discredits itself too easily with bad articles on the main page, I template them, then someone gets irritated that an article with a template is on the main page, so I get told to work on them before they go on the main page, but DYK editors only welcome rubber stamps. I am far more irritated when bad science is paraded on the main page than anyone should be irritated that the bad science is pointed out to the world--it's better to spread it? So, Tobias, continue shooting the messengers. Not much I can do to stop that, when people with knowledge in specific areas are held in such deep disdain by people who are capable of doing multiple google searches and distilling that information into articles. Google away -68.107.137.178 (talk) 08:34, 5 May 2013 (UTC)
- I am sorry, but I don't know where you pointed out a specific list of sentences that you think are OR. Can you post them here? --Tobias1984 (talk) 07:21, 2 May 2013 (UTC)
- I have pointed out specifics, you just say I didn't instead of addressing them. Another editor just reverts. Article improvement sure isn't wanted, just a score! And I though it was an encyclopedia, not a playground. -198.228.216.153 (talk) 07:04, 2 May 2013 (UTC)
I point out plenty, but you cannot respond so you simply accuse. Who says I can't read German? What does my reading German or not have to do with anything? Oh, personal issue, removes topic from conversation, namely the bad article with Hawaii on North American Plate, craton section that does not say what craton is, etc., and changes topic to me. Who says it is obscure because it is in German? What is it about, anyway, why is its availability so limited, yet with hundreds of texts in English you pick low availability, obscure, German language text? Oh, wait, find something else about me instead of answering, because you have no answers to why this and the Geology of the United States place Hawaii on the North American Plate, describe geological history of the continent from a Cordillera without trend to the Canadian Shield, and then on to other places. So, let's discuss what other languages do I not speak? The article is bad and should be removed from article space since you are more interested in what languages I read than in putting Hawaii on the correct plate. It should certainly not be on the main page, the damage by spreading this all over the web via Wikipedia mirrors is bad enough already. -198.228.216.151 (talk) 00:02, 7 May 2013 (UTC)
- Your not actually pointing out anything. You are just calling the text bad and the sources bad. I am really not out to insult you, but I really need you to be specific. What is wrong with the Canadian Shield section? --Tobias1984 (talk) 07:38, 7 May 2013 (UTC)
- As long as you keep insisting that Hawaii on North American Plate isn't anything there is no way that I can point out anything geological to you. You are unwilling to consider real geology, so there is no reason to read or respond to you. -198.228.216.175 (talk) 13:57, 7 May 2013 (UTC)
- The word "hawaii" isn't even mentioned in the article. What lemma are you looking at? This is the DYK for Geology of North America. Why are you even reviewing lemmas without reading them? --Tobias1984 (talk) 14:01, 7 May 2013 (UTC)
- As long as you keep insisting that Hawaii on North American Plate isn't anything there is no way that I can point out anything geological to you. You are unwilling to consider real geology, so there is no reason to read or respond to you. -198.228.216.175 (talk) 13:57, 7 May 2013 (UTC)
With the rampant Randy in Boise time waste it does not seem likely this article will have sufficient quality edits to improve it for the main page. -198.228.216.175 (talk) 14:47, 7 May 2013 (UTC)
- Please point out a section that needs improvement. I will gladly review the sources and try to clarify it. I'm just glad we solved that "hawaii-mystery". --Tobias1984 (talk) 14:53, 7 May 2013 (UTC)
