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50 Carnaby Street

  • ALT1:... that 50 Carnaby Street was home to a series of nightclubs, including the Florence Mills Social Parlour, The Roaring Twenties and Columbo's?
  • Reviewed: Glen Rounds
  • Comment: Better hooks welcome!

Created by Philafrenzy (talk), Edwardx (talk). Nominated by Edwardx (talk) at 18:36, 27 July 2014 (UTC).

  • File:Symbol question.svg The article is new enough, long enough and there is no obvious close paraphrasing. My main concern is that too many of the sources look like blogs. Since the article deals with negative themes like drug abuse, with quotations from various people, I would say the sources have to be of a higher level that have seen scrutiny from a professional publisher. Can you explain how we could trust, say, the source for the "hell on earth" quotation? Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 10:14, 13 August 2014 (UTC)
  • I would have thought that the 25 sources were a good mix of books, webpages and personal reminiscences. No individual is accused of taking drugs. This is a popular culture article so inevitably the sources are not likely to be university press books, but they still seem sound and reliable to me. I wouldn't characterise sites like henrybebop.co.uk or themodgeneration.co.uk as blogs exactly and where they are used it is mainly to describe atmosphere and repeat personal reminiscences. I agree it would be nice to have a better source for the "hell on earth" quotation but it is in no way a controversial statement so I would have thought we could live with the current source. Philafrenzy (talk) 11:01, 13 August 2014 (UTC)
  • Thanks, I will check out those sources. Philafrenzy (talk) 12:15, 13 August 2014 (UTC)
  • I'll also rummage around those to see if I can come up with a good hook, as that's where good book sources really count. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 12:21, 13 August 2014 (UTC)
  • By the way, The Mirror, and The Daily Mail, are sound sources that far back. It was only later they became a bit of a joke. Philafrenzy (talk) 12:46, 13 August 2014 (UTC)

Okay, from Frame Page 108 (this'll need to be worked into the article) - ALT2 ... that the Roaring 20s, at 50 Carnaby Street was one of the first black music clubs in London? Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 20:15, 13 August 2014 (UTC)

Trouble is, that source seems to be wrong, both on the date and about the Roaring Twenties being one of the first black clubs. In the previous paragraph we have this confirming the existence of at least five Caribbean clubs in London by 1959, before the Roaring Twenties even opened. I think the original hook is sound. See my talk page for a discussion with another editor about the attribution of the quote to Hall. Philafrenzy (talk) 23:13, 13 August 2014 (UTC)

16px Third opinion on hooks required. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 10:15, 14 August 2014 (UTC)

What about Alt3 " ... that 50 Carnaby Street was home to a series of nightclubs, including a 1950 bebop jazz club once described as like "hell on earth"? Philafrenzy (talk) 11:40, 14 August 2014 (UTC)