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Ancient Macedonians
- ... that the ancient Macedonians spoke Attic Greek and then Koine Greek as a lingua franca, while modern scholars still debate if the native ancient Macedonian language was a dialect of Greek or not?
- ALT1:... that the Ancient Macedonians ate a flat bread with meat in the 3rd century BC that perhaps influenced the later 'trencher' bread of medieval Europe if not Greek pita and Italian pizza?
Improved to Good Article status by PericlesofAthens (talk). Self-nominated at 23:00, 28 May 2017 (UTC).
Newly promoted to GA, long enough, no copyvios found. I prefer ALT1 but I'm not sure it's fully supported by the source (the possibility of a direct connection isn't actually covered in the source) so the original hook may be a better bet (AFG on the content of the sources for that one since they aren't available in Google's preview). Both need rewriting for brevity, though, as they both exceed the 200 character limit. QPQ still needs doing as well. Yunshui 雲水 10:55, 30 May 2017 (UTC)
- Which "source" would that be? I'm not relying on a single source for the first hook. It is a terse summary of the language sub-section, particularly the last two paragraphs, so it obviously relies on multiple sources to come to this conclusion about the ambiguities in modern scholarship over the exact classification of the ancient Macedonian language (even though most scholars now agree it was a dialect of ancient Greek). As for Attic Greek and then Koine Greek being the lingua franca of Macedonia, that is covered in the first two paragraphs of the sub-section and is also well-sourced. I fail to see the problem here, other than the fact that I forgot to check the length of each hook to make sure they didn't exceed 200 characters. Pericles of AthensTalk 00:13, 31 May 2017 (UTC)
- Template:Ping The source for ALT1 seems to be Dalby, who doesn't seem to say explicitly that the Macedonian flatbreads were (or even could have been) the ancestors of pizza etc. (the source actually says, "there is no earlier evidence than third-century Macedonia for the use of a flat loaf of bread as a plate, a function which bread continued to perform in the pide of Turkey, the pita of Greece and Bulgaria, the pizza of southern Italy and the 'trencher' of medieval Europe"). The first hook is problematic in that it concatenates several sentences in the article - per DYK#3b, the fact mentioned in the hook needs to be cited at the end of the specific sentence in the article. (The sources I can't view, incidentally, are Boardman and Woodard, both of which are only available in snippet view on Google Books.)
- As an alternative, how about:
- ALT2 "...that scholars still debate whether the language of the Ancient Macedonians was a dialect of Greek or not?"
- This is short enough for the hook and is supported with appropriate inline citations for the sentence Several hypotheses have consequently been proposed as to the position of Macedonian, all of which broadly regard it as either a peripheral Greek dialect, a closely related but separate language (see Hellenic languages), or a hybridized idiom from Woodard, Finkelberg, Malkin, Hornblower et al and Christides and Chrite. What do you think? Yunshui 雲水 10:53, 31 May 2017 (UTC)
- Template:Ping hello again. Yeah, sure, that modified hook sounds fine to me, or even this: "...that the ancient Macedonians spoke Attic Greek and then Koine Greek as a lingua franca?" Perhaps that could be ALT3. I was unaware of that rule for [Wikipedia:Did_you_know#Eligibility_criteria
- Which "source" would that be? I'm not relying on a single source for the first hook. It is a terse summary of the language sub-section, particularly the last two paragraphs, so it obviously relies on multiple sources to come to this conclusion about the ambiguities in modern scholarship over the exact classification of the ancient Macedonian language (even though most scholars now agree it was a dialect of ancient Greek). As for Attic Greek and then Koine Greek being the lingua franca of Macedonia, that is covered in the first two paragraphs of the sub-section and is also well-sourced. I fail to see the problem here, other than the fact that I forgot to check the length of each hook to make sure they didn't exceed 200 characters. Pericles of AthensTalk 00:13, 31 May 2017 (UTC)