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Matzah pizza

Created by Notecardforfree (talk). Self-nominated at 23:48, 6 April 2016 (UTC).

  • Symbol confirmed.svg Newly created and just large enough for DYK purposes. Extensively sourced. I have no preference on the hooks, they're both good. Spot checks show no copy vio issues. Miyagawa (talk) 09:18, 7 April 2016 (UTC)
  • Template:Ping thank you very much for the prompt review! I am going to move this nomination to the special occasion holding area so that it can be saved for April 22. Best, -- Notecardforfree (talk) 22:47, 7 April 2016 (UTC)
  • I should also note that my preference is for ALT1. -- Notecardforfree (talk) 22:51, 7 April 2016 (UTC)
  • Template:Ping I also prefer ALT1, but I'm wondering why Roman soldiers would eat matzah? Do you have any scholars that make this claim, aside from the Abba Eban claim? Yoninah (talk) 22:05, 9 April 2016 (UTC)
  • Template:Ping upon further investigation, it looks like Abba Eban is the only source I could find that mentions Matzah being eaten by Roman soldiers, though it's likely that Roman soldiers ate the various middle-eastern flatbreads that have been been popular for thousands of years. For a fascinating discussion of the origins of pizza, see this article, which cites a number of scholars who trace the origins of pizza to either kosher-for-Pesach flatbreads eaten by Roman Jews or to other paschal flatbreads (there is also a fascinating discussion of the shared history and etymology of "pizza" and "pita"). In any event, I clarified this in the article, and I have struck ALT1. Best, -- Notecardforfree (talk) 22:58, 9 April 2016 (UTC)
  • Template:Ping thank you. I reorganized the presentation, and feel that the whole section about Origins belongs in Pizza, not here. Perhaps you can rework this so it fits? Thanks, Yoninah (talk) 23:48, 9 April 2016 (UTC)
  • Template:Ping per your suggestion, I moved the information about the origins of pizza to history of pizza. I also added some information about recipes for matzah pizza to bring the article over the 1,500 character minimum. Thanks so much for your advice and feedback. Best, -- Notecardforfree (talk) 01:28, 10 April 2016 (UTC)
  • Template:Ping thank you. The article is just over 1500 char, but it feels sketchy on the scholarly side. Most refs are cookbooks. I wish you could find more refs other than footnote 3 that talk about the history of the food. Maybe look at newspaper articles? Also, it's unclear from footnote 3 that matzah pizza is actually baked, so I'm wondering if there are two ways to make it, baked or unbaked? Yoninah (talk) 11:20, 10 April 2016 (UTC)
  • Template:Ping I've tried my best to find a record of the history of Matzah pizza, but I have had little luck. I also wish there were more scholarly sources available, but I haven't been able to find much of value on the internet. In any event, I added some newspaper articles from the link you provided to beef up the sources. I also added some sources that talk about Matzah Pizza being baked. Every recipe that I have seen suggests baking the Matzah pizzas, though I suppose you could make it without baking ... I've heard that melting cheese on Shabbos violates the prohibition of Molid, so that may also be a consideration. Thanks again for your help with this article. Best, -- Notecardforfree (talk) 02:06, 19 April 2016 (UTC)

Template:OutdentSymbol confirmed.svg Thank you, Template:Ping your additional refs are very good. I also found a few more refs to describe the pizza. The first ref that you cite in the Preparation section, which says that matzah pizza is basically melted cheese and sauce on a piece of matzah, seems to be the only one indicating that it can be eaten unbaked. The picture that I added from Flickr also seems to be showing an unbaked piece of matzah pizza, though I'm not sure. In any event, I edited the article a little and think that it is in good shape for a start-class article. I tweaked the language in the hook. Restoring tick per Miyagawa's review. Yoninah (talk) 16:42, 19 April 2016 (UTC)