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Neanderkirche

Organ in Neanderkirche
Organ in Neanderkirche
  • ... that the organ (pictured) of the Neanderkirche has served summer concerts for more than 50 years? Source: [1]

Created by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self-nominated at 22:02, 23 December 2016 (UTC).

  • I will start to review this now. Side note Template:U I changed "sommer" to "summer" in the hook, looked to be an accidental inclusion of the German word for summer.  MPJ-DK  22:55, 25 December 2016 (UTC)
  • Source review - I am not seeing how source #6 supports the claim of being part of "Evangelische Kirchengemeinde Düsseldorf-Mitte." I don't see that mentioned on the page (and yes I read German). Is there something I am missing?
I simply took it from the official website. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:25, 25 December 2016 (UTC)
But that is not the source you cited so I am confused why that citation is there?  MPJ-DK  00:53, 26 December 2016 (UTC)
The reason was a bit of a rush, sorry ;) - I moved the citation. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:03, 26 December 2016 (UTC)
  • is New enough
  • is Long enough (by 44 bytes)
  • is Neutral
  • Has a cited hook
  • Is free of copyright violations.
  • QPQ: I find it a little lacking, it does not address all DYK criteria - Nothing on being new enough or long enough, both of which it passes the review does just not state that. Please try to remember to state all criteria reviewed
  • Question: Since this is English Wikipedia should it be called "Neander Church"? Not sure what the proper naming convention is for something that probably does not have a lot of English language sources??
  • Hook: To me "has served" sounds weird to me, "been used for" or words to that effect makes more sense for an inanimate object such as an organ.
  • Symbol question.svg Passed for everything but the wording of the hook.  MPJ-DK  01:42, 27 December 2016 (UTC)
  • I'm comfortable with "served" in the hook, it seems common usage for navy ships, pieces of equipment and especially church instruments. I'd also keep the article title Neanderkirche. Place/structure names like this tend to lose meaning if translated too much, and even .en articles on more famous buildings are titled in local language (see: Oude kerk, Amsterdam) Ultracobalt (talk) 04:53, 27 December 2016 (UTC)
Thank you, both. "has been used for" is nothing special, all organs used for church concerts do that, - any other wording for that the (then new) organ has made the concerts possible / given the idea to run them / are the focus of / ... - all more complicated, it seems. The term Neander Church would be our construct, no common name. - It might be a funny hook to say that the church is named after the same Neander as the Neandertal and thus the Neanderthal, but would probably be undue weight for the article ;) - See how translating to English gets a strange "h" in, that changes pronunciation (but became the common name, unfortunately)? - qpq: if an article is not new enough etc I'd say so. Why blow up a review by such trivia, extra characters to be stored and to be read? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:55, 27 December 2016 (UTC)
  • If you don't state it how will we know if you checked for it? Following your logic a review could simply state "this is approved" but that is not acceptable. And I am concerned with the hook now, you state yourself "nothing special" - so if it is nothing special then it is a very boring hook. not sure why you start to bring up stuff not in the article when I just asked about naming conventions.  MPJ-DK  13:51, 27 December 2016 (UTC)
I do believe that a review just saying "checked against all criteria and found fine" is nicer to read than lines of text about "new enough", etc., but that's old-fashioned me. I can make an exception if you wish. I performed more than 150 DYK reviews in 2016 my way, DYK? - "served" IS special, while "has been used for" is not, - I asked for better wording, if that is not clear. How would "inspired" be? Trying harder:
ALT: ... that the 1965 organ (pictured) made the church Neanderkirche in Düsseldorf a venue for a series of summer concerts with local and international organists? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:18, 27 December 2016 (UTC)
  • I am okay with the naming, I am also okay with "served" based on the explanation that was given by Ultracobalt. I think the original hook is better than the ALT personally. Good to go, meets all the criteria. Symbol confirmed.svg — Preceding unsigned comment added by MPJ-DK (talkcontribs) 21:44, 29 December 2016 (UTC)