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Soviet Strike
- ... that PlayStation video game Soviet Strike was originally intended for the ill-fated 3DO console?
- Alt 1 ... that video game Soviet Strike featured a fictional mission to rescue Boris Yeltsin from an attack on the Moscow Kremlin?
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Healthcare in Chennai
Created/expanded by Bridies (talk). Self nom at 13:49, 22 September 2012 (UTC)
Just one outstanding issue - the final line of Development (relating to Nuclear Strike) needs a citation. Miyagawa (talk) 22:12, 22 September 2012 (UTC)
- I would say that is an uncontroversial fact and not likely to be challenged; the Nuclear Strike article has many sources if someone wanted to add one. bridies (talk) 01:54, 23 September 2012 (UTC)
- For example: GameSpot, IGN, Edge, GameFan and Next Generation (all cited in the Nuclear Strike article) all give that info; I'd say it's common knowledge and not necessary if even proper to attribute it to a particular source. bridies (talk) 10:20, 24 September 2012 (UTC)
My take:
- ALT2 ... that the video game Soviet Strike, released on PlayStation and Sega Saturn, was originally intended for the ill-fated 3DO console?
- ALT2-a ... that PlayStation and Sega Saturn video game Soviet Strike was originally intended for the ill-fated 3DO console?
The hook must include Sega Saturn. --George Ho (talk) 05:07, 27 September 2012 (UTC)
- Prefer just "...first released on PlayStation"; although I'm not particularly opposed to noting the Saturn version, I just think it's cumbersome and redundant. It was developed for the PS and the Saturn version was a port released several months later. The point is to note it was intended for the 3DO and released for something other than that. bridies (talk) 06:05, 27 September 2012 (UTC)
- There's no need for the Saturn to be included if it stops the article from being suitably catchy. However, I think that the Alt2-a flows better as a sentence out of the two alt2 options - however I think both the original hooks also work. Anyway, the article meets creation and size requirements and is good to go for DYK.
Miyagawa (talk) 18:27, 3 October 2012 (UTC)
Ultimately, none of these hooks have inline source citations for all key facts at the end of the sentences they're in, or the key facts simply do not appear. I don't see a citation for "ill-fated 3DO console", or even a direct citation that the game was a PlayStation one. It's not common knowledge, except perhaps among gamers: DYK is for people who don't know gaming, or sports, or whatever. (I agree with Miyagawa that, contra George Ho, the Sega Saturn does not need to appear. In fact, it dilutes the hook, and was released the following year to boot.) Finally, while Boris Yeltsin's name does appear in the article, there is nothing to connect him and the Moscow Kremlin, and that connection needs to be made explicitly and cited that way in the article for Alt1 to be usable. (I think it's odd to have a parenthetical remark be the basis of a hook.) BlueMoonset (talk) 01:28, 4 October 2012 (UTC)
- The expression "declining viability of the 3DO" (which I've now changed to "end of the 3DO's viability"; the source calls the console "abandoned") is used in the article and is sourced: everything between cites 5 and 6 (a couple of sentences or so) comes from reference 6. I've now added another cite to number 6 at the end of the relevant sentence (this also takes care of there not being a cite putting it on the PlayStation). I've no problem with "ill-fated" being changed to "unsuccessful" or "abandoned" or whatever if need be. Regarding Yeltsin, I guess just "rescuing Boris Yeltsin" and not mentioning the Kremlin should be fine. I put the mention of Yeltsin in brackets to conveniently group it with other rescue missions (the source says "even saving Boris Yeltsin", not in parenthesis). I don't think context or prominence in the article should matter; I just felt this was perhaps the most amusing factoid for "people who don't know gaming, or sports, or whatever". For the record, personally I prefer the Alt hook about Yeltsin, I just worried it would be rejected for being about a fictional aspect (to which I would tentatively counter that the reference to a real world figure makes it "involve the real world in some way"; as well as that it ties into the Soviet theme of the subject). bridies (talk) 13:30, 4 October 2012 (UTC)
- There's no need for the Saturn to be included if it stops the article from being suitably catchy. However, I think that the Alt2-a flows better as a sentence out of the two alt2 options - however I think both the original hooks also work. Anyway, the article meets creation and size requirements and is good to go for DYK.
- Perhaps with slightly stronger grounding in reality, the Yeltsin hook can fly. How's this:
- ALT3: ... that the 1996 video game Soviet Strike featured a fictional mission to rescue then-Russian President Boris Yeltsin? —BlueMoonset (talk) 00:14, 6 October 2012 (UTC)