Template:Did you know nominations/Volunia
Volunia
- ... that Volunia, a potential competitor to Google, has been reported to be the "search engine of the future"?
Created/expanded by Pikks (talk), Nearlymiddling (talk). Nominated by Pikks (talk) at 18:24, 12 February 2012 (UTC)
The hook is blatantly promotional, and not neutral. --SupernovaExplosion (talk) 13:36, 16 February 2012 (UTC)
- Thanks for your review. What part is non neutral? Please propose an alternative hook with the same meaning but neutral. Thank you --★ Pikks ★ MsG 13:44, 16 February 2012 (UTC)
- Volunia "is known as the search engine of the future" it is an opinion with prediction and judgmental language. Being a opinionated judgmental prediction, this statement is not a fact and not neutral, and is promotional in tone. --SupernovaExplosion (talk) 14:17, 16 February 2012 (UTC)
- Thank you for your opinion. I think that "is the search engine of the future" is non neutral, however "is known as the search engine of the future" is neutral, but I agree with you that it can be understood in a different way. So I would change the hook as follows:
- Alt1 that Volunia is considered a potential competitor to Google and somebody thinks it will be the search engine of the future?
- Alt2 that Volunia is considered a potential competitor to Google but it's different than normal search engines?
Which alternative you think is the best? Thanks --★ Pikks ★ MsG 14:31, 16 February 2012 (UTC)
- I think the alternate hooks suffer from the same problem. Requesting third opinion. --SupernovaExplosion (talk) 14:36, 16 February 2012 (UTC)
- Thanks good idea. From my experience and from what is in the WP:DYK rules I can see that the hook should be ""hooky", that is, short, punchy, catchy, and likely to draw the readers in to wanting to read the article." So I can suggest also a 3 alternative which is supported by the biggest Italian national newspaper:
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I am experienced with the DYK process (both as an article nominator, and a hook reviewer, but I haven't visited DYK in several weeks and I have no interest or previous involvement in this particular nomination. If the translation of the Polish article is literally that it is "the search engine of the future" then I think it makes a great hook. However I know zero Polish, so I'm not qualified to translate the original article, and Google's translation does not seem to support this literal translation. If this can be proven, then I would keep the original hook, but tweak it slightly for grammar:
I think that enclosing the quote in quotation marks, and using the term "reported to be" makes it clear that a WP:RS is making this claim, not Wikipedia, and I think it is not blatantly promotional. I stress that this hook is only valid if it is confirmed that the source is accurately being quoted, something that I can not confirm, but that User:Pikks might be able to do. If the accuracy of the quote is not able to be confirmed, then I would suggest searching the article for another fact to hook, none of the alternatives are particularly good and/or "hooky". Livit⇑Eh?/What? 16:42, 16 February 2012 (UTC)—Livit⇑Eh?/What? 16:42, 16 February 2012 (UTC) |
- Thank you for your exhaustive and detailed 3O. I can confirm that - as it appears in the article references, as a quotation - the phrase "jak mogłaby wyglądać wyszukiwarka przyszłości" means "how would look like the search engine of the future".
For this reason I go ahead and change the hook with the neutral one you have proposed. --★ Pikks ★ MsG 16:49, 16 February 2012 (UTC)
Hook changed. Good to go. --★ Pikks ★ MsG 16:51, 16 February 2012 (UTC)
- Comment. As a native Polish speaker who did not work on the article, I confirm the above translation. Here's a more complete quotation from the source article: Volunia jest silnikiem wyszukiwania opartym w dużej mierze na interakcjach społecznościowych. Według Marchiori, jest to próba pokazania, jak mogłaby wyglądać wyszukiwarka przyszłości. Translation: "Volunia is a search engine based to a great extent on social interactions. According to Marchiori, it is an attempt to show what a search engine of the future may look like." — Kpalion(talk) 20:53, 22 February 2012 (UTC)