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Seta Dadoyan
- ... that the lectures of medieval historian Seta Dadoyan have been described as an "intellectual feast"?
Created by EtienneDolet (talk). Self nominated at 23:05, 16 April 2014 (UTC).
OK--it's new enough, and (after tweakage) just about long enough. The hook is verified, but there lies a bit of a rub: the references are hardly as strong as they should be: we're talking newsletters and such here, and the reference for the hook is a newsletter from her own (at the time?) university. In fact, and I hate to say it, there aren't that many strong references and some malevolent editor might even consider slapping a notability tag on the article: her books, for instance, could do with references to scholarly reviews to prove such notability per WP:PROF--a few testimonies reported in the AUB bulletin can't do that. I'm going to ask some experts, User:Randykitty and User:Crisco 1492, to have a look: if they think that these references provide notability they can tick this off. Drmies (talk) 03:59, 17 April 2014 (UTC)
- I'm getting 1477 characters. There are two reviews of The Fatimid Armenians on Jstor, 1 and 2. Sadly I don't have Jstor access to help with the writing. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 04:04, 17 April 2014 (UTC)
- Doesn't seem to have a high h-index. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 04:08, 17 April 2014 (UTC)
- Thanks for the quick response, Chris. I brought the two reviews in and I would assume there might be more of the other books. As far as I'm concerned it squeaks by in terms of notability and it's a bit longer now. What do you think of the reference for the hook? Drmies (talk) 04:28, 17 April 2014 (UTC)
- We need something independent. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 04:30, 17 April 2014 (UTC)
- Drmies, thank you for the review. There's numerous sources regarding her work and academic career. I ran into many that describe and assess her writing style and scholarly work. My references used in this article are more geared towards expanding her biography. Therefore, I have been selective in picking my sources in that regard. I mostly chose sources that elaborated on her biography. Unfortunately, there's not much on her early and personal life. I haven't even run into a birth date for her. There's loads of sources assessing her work though which, might I add, will be overwhelming for the average Wikipedia user if added to the article. Étienne Dolet (talk) 04:37, 17 April 2014 (UTC)
- Etienne, I hope you understand the problem with the reference for the hook. If you add a review or two, even just as a footnote to the entry in the "Works" section, notability is not a problem anymore, in my opinion. You could consider proposing a different hook--it's just that, for an evaluative claim like this, which is to be the attraction for the reader, we really need a rock-solid source. Thank you, Drmies (talk) 04:50, 17 April 2014 (UTC)
- Yes that's understandable. I found a few reviews but I have don't have access to them ([1][2][3]) Étienne Dolet (talk) 05:09, 17 April 2014 (UTC)
- Update: I added some reviews that I was able to access. Étienne Dolet (talk) 05:55, 17 April 2014 (UTC)
- As far as I can see, notability under WP:ACADEMIC is near-absent (very meager citation record in both WoS and GS), however, for her field is a low-citation field, so this is not to be construed as evidence of a lack of notability. I'm a bit less familiar with WP:AUTHOR and cannot access most of the reviews linked above and in the article. Perhaps those will make her squeak by. As for the hook, I would never use such a non-independent source for such lavish paise in an article (as opposed to using it to source some neutral and non-controversial stuff, which would be perfectly acceptable), let alone use it to source a hook. I think you should find a better reference for that or change the hook. --Randykitty (talk) 14:51, 17 April 2014 (UTC)
ALT1 ... that medieval historian Seta Dadoyan was awarded the David Anhaght medal for her contributions to Armenian philosophical studies? Étienne Dolet (talk) 16:45, 17 April 2014 (UTC)
- EtienneDolet, that seems like a fine idea, but I can't find much useful in the David article. Who awards that medal? Can you provide an online reference to her getting it? Ideally, the David article would have a section on it... Sorry for giving you such a hard time. Thanks,
- I see the quote in the reference, but that only tells me that a certain professor gave out the award. We need to know what organization supports it, that kind of thing--without that, it's nothing but a ribbon. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 16:04, 27 April 2014 (UTC)
- Template:Ping Okay, I made the necessary clarifications. Étienne Dolet (talk) 17:47, 27 April 2014 (UTC)